Dear Sir
To top all these ones we have the recent case of Bank Of Rajasthan's promoters who have carefully raised their stakes to 55 % and all the time maintaining that they only hold close to 26% of the equity.
Now ICICI bank is going to reward them by issuing ICICI bank shares. ICICI bank is also maintaining that all employees's interest shall be protected by stating the past merger of Sanghli Bank and Bank of Madura. It is worth digging to find out how many old employees of these banks are still in ICICI Bank's pay rolls !!!
As long as figures are good in the balance sheet ....All is well !!!!
Thanks
Mugunthanchari
To: sharetrading@
From: sharetrading.
Date: Mon, 7 Jun 2010 06:43:07 +0000
Subject: [sharetrading] Re: How Promoters Cheat Shareholders
This is one of the finest investor education mails I have come across in this group
Everything in the mail seems to be true
Can any one guess all the correct names?
Thanks Ravi
SM
--- In sharetrading@yahoogroups.com , Ravi <saharsh1@...> wrote:
>
> 7/06/10
>
> CUT & PASTE FROM NET
>
> *How Promoters Cheat Shareholders*
>
> Siphoning off cash, dumping expenses, selling scrap for cash...dozens of
> live examples of the ways companies cheat:-Source:HKG
>
> Indian promoters manipulate accounts and market prices for two
> (opposite) reasons. The first is a traditional game, which the majority
> of them play -- siphoning money from the coffers of a listed company for
> personal gains. However, in a bull market, a reverse trend starts. Many
> of them are not interested in suppressing profits. They want to
> overstate revenues and profits because this boosts their market-cap in a
> rising market; it helps them to raise 'free' money. In the past three
> years, I have repeatedly expressed doubts about the genuineness of the
> financial figures of many companies, although foreign institutional
> investors (FIIs) and many renowned domestic institutional investors
> (DIIs) were shareholders of precisely such shady companies, even as many
> brokerage houses, print and electronic media wereflashing 'buy'
> recommendations on them. I mainly track mid-cap and small-cap companies.
> Large companies are smart enough to camouflage their figures. It is much
> easier to find flaws in the accounting of small- and mid-cap companies.
> What is the arsenal of tricks employed by promoters to siphon off money
> or fudge their accounts? How do they pump up their share prices and dump
> them on the public?
>
> Here are few examples of how promoters do it. These are actual examples,
> but we have opted to change their names because the idea is to educate
> investors about management tricks.
>
> Suppress Income:Consider textile companies. All of us believe that they
> don't make money. This is not true. It is only that the promoters are
> adept at hiding margins. Some listed companies have at least 15-20
> private limited companies, two or three proprietary firms, five or six
> partnership firms in the promoter's wife's name, in his in-law's name,
> in the married daughter's name or even in the names of trusted employees
> who have been working with the promoter for 20-30 years. It sells
> finished products to private firms that are directly or indirectly owned
> by the promoters at cost price or even a small loss. Those private
> firms, in turn, sell the products to the dealer, wholesaler or
> distributor and make huge profits.
>
> I can definitely say that listed companies like Ramdiya Mills and Karma
> Fabrics or Synth Fabrics -- have adopted this practice since inception
> and continue to do so even now. If you look at their cost structure, it
> will become very clear. Ramdiya Mills and Karma Fabrics have large
> reputed brands. Since they buy hundreds of crores worth of yarn every
> year, they get it at the lowest possible price. They get an additional
> price benefit by making cash payments to suppliers. Since the product
> they sell is a premium product, these companies ought to have a net
> profit margin of at least 12%-15% whereas they hardly show a margin of
> 2%-3%. Text100 Mills is one of the oldest and reputed cotton textile
> mills with significant exports. But if you look at the segment-wise
> results, the cotton division always shows losses. Where is the money
> going? Most promoters either invest it in real estate or benami accounts
> in India or transfer the money abroad. Of course, each promoter has a
> different way of looting the company and siphoning off money. The
> promoter of Ramdiya Mills is a hands-on guy who looks after practically
> everything. They do not have senior professionals in purchase, marketing
> or branding. Since the promoter takes all decisions, overheads are also
> not large. In this category fall companies, like Gofar and other
> powerloom companies, whose expenses are those of a powerloom, but
> selling price is akin to the organised sector.
>
> In some cases, shareholders' money goes to support the promoter's
> lifestyle. Look at a famous textile company like Monde Fabrics. It has a
> higher cost structure -- the bigger the brand name, the higher is the
> number of employees. Monde's production cost is slightly higher but not
> high enough to show losses. Also, they should be able to show very
> decent profits because they have the latest technology, wastage is low
> and the quality is very good. Their polywool fabric is the most
> expensive in India but their profit is negligible. Where is the money
> going? The promoter's daily expense is in lakhs of rupees which is all
> debited to Monde's corporate account. So, although the selling price of
> Daygod Mills is 20% lower than Monde's, its margin is higher.
>
> Under-reporting of revenues is also rampant in the steel industry. Each
> listed company has at least six or seven unlisted companies through
> which they do a lot of adjustments, depending on the opportunity. They
> decide where to show profits and when to disguise them. In this category
> are companies like Prism Steel and Modern Metals. Look at Modern Metals
> and compare it with River Electricity, a company with a similar profile.
> River Electricity did not have captive mines and neither did Modern. But
> profit margins of Modern have been very low. Their profits are vanishing
> through their unlisted group companies.Dealing in cash is very common in
> the steel industry. Cash sales take place and are not reflected in the
> books. That is why you will find that raw material costs rise
> disproportionately. I knew a person who used to be with a sponge-iron
> company near Mumbai. He told me that every year they sell Rs500 crore
> worth of sponge-iron from their plant, in cash. But all purchases and
> expenses are being fully accounted in the books along with the
> promoter's personal expenses.
>
> Take the example of Kanaka Leaf. Why did that company become sick? I
> know a manager of one of its factories. He tells me that he used to take
> out 90% of the stock in cash and pay excise duty only on 10% of the
> goods. That is one reason why this firm got into legal trouble and that
> factory had to be closed. He was no longer on the payroll; but the owner
> was still paying him Rs25,000 per month. You always know which companies
> are selling in cash by sniffing around at the commodity markets. Look at
> the textile company ABC. If you go to the textile market any time, you
> can buy ABC products in cash. There used to be a company called Garvi
> Fils which closed down. It used to sell most of its production in cash.
> In any textile market, you can get a list of companies which will sell
> yarn in cash. All of them book expenses fully; sell in cash and claim
> that costs have gone up. This is how they fool investors.
>
> One major way in which promoters enrich themselves is by selling waste
> (or passing off even quality material as waste) in cash and pocket the
> money. This is rampant in the metals and cable industry. Jewel Steel is
> the king of this. It sells waste as well as fresh material as waste. It
> even sells zinc which is used for galvanising. You can go to any metal
> merchant in Delhi and enquire how much zinc Jewel Steel is selling and
> how much copper Melton Cable is selling in the open market. This is a
> common feature of the metal traders in Delhi where almost 80% of the
> business is done in cash. Companies sell to wholesalers; wholesalers
> sell to small converters and so on. There is an active cash market and
> promoters are able to sell as much of quality finished goods, raw
> materials, by-products or waste.
>
> Fake Bills:The most common practice among corporates is to buy fake
> bills for a small price, make the payment against these bills by cheque
> and instead of receiving goods, ask for the money back in cash. This is
> a common practice among the marwari business houses of Kolkata. They buy
> bills of Rs10 crore or Rs20 crore ostensibly for raw material purchase
> and pay for it by cheque. The material never comes to the warehouse;
> instead they get the money back in cash, minus a tiny commission for the
> fake bill. Naturally, the companies show losses or meagre profits. They
> are not inefficient companies, neither are the promoters fools. They
> simply siphon off cash by buying the bills and under-report sales. This
> leads to losses.
>
> When Laltane Solutions made its IPO, some Delhi-based operators
> regularly contacted me to say that the stock would list at Rs500 against
> an issue price of Rs250. They offered me shares at Rs400 and openly
> admitted that they belonged to the promoter. That is how they made money
> in the stock market. When you think of operators, don't think of shadowy
> individuals. They could well be institutions with a big name and shining
> public image.
>
> Visher Agro buys wheat from the market, converts it into flour and sells
> it to a food company selling branded atta. It is also into rice milling.
> It is not selling anything under its own brand name. It is just a
> converter. The promoter entered into an agreement with an operator and
> his share price rose to Rs200+ from just Rs15; it has now dropped 70%
> from the highs. He claims to have set up an unlisted company which will
> set up a 20MW co-generation power plant for which he is in talks with
> Blackstone. He was making up this story but he could not succeed in
> raising the money as the operator quit the counter.
>
> Another trick by Indian promoters is to announce a joint venture (JV)
> for a new project. After a while, there are reports about differences
> between the JV partners. The money invested in the JV is never
> recovered. It is written off over five or seven years. All this is
> well-planned. The JV is floated precisely to siphon off money by taking
> away money invested in the JV. For instance, Albert Hotels of Bengaluru
> paid Rs15 crore as its share in a JV with a Pune-based company to set up
> a five-star hotel in Pune. It later pulled out of the venture due to
> differences over management control and said it would file a lawsuit to
> recover its investment. But industry sources told me that the promoter
> has already taken back the money in cash and written off the investment
> in its books. This is a popular trick among marwari companies. They lend
> money to unlisted companies owned by the promoters either directly or
> indirectly and the money is never recovered.
>
> As all these examples show, Indian promoters are not stupid or less
> intelligent or don't know how to run their businesses. They are actually
> a step ahead of other professionally managed companies. They are much
> more intelligent, savvy and street smart. They know how to negotiate
> with suppliers for the lowest possible price, how to cut costs and how
> to siphon off money. Most of them have trusted people or relatives in
> key strategic posts to prevent pilferage. Even while selling, they know
> how to negotiate hard to get the highest price. They work hard and make
> a lot of money but they don't want to share it with you.
>
Everything in the mail seems to be true
Can any one guess all the correct names?
Thanks Ravi
SM
--- In sharetrading@
>
> 7/06/10
>
> CUT & PASTE FROM NET
>
> *How Promoters Cheat Shareholders*
>
> Siphoning off cash, dumping expenses, selling scrap for cash...dozens of
> live examples of the ways companies cheat:-Source:
>
> Indian promoters manipulate accounts and market prices for two
> (opposite) reasons. The first is a traditional game, which the majority
> of them play -- siphoning money from the coffers of a listed company for
> personal gains. However, in a bull market, a reverse trend starts. Many
> of them are not interested in suppressing profits. They want to
> overstate revenues and profits because this boosts their market-cap in a
> rising market; it helps them to raise 'free' money. In the past three
> years, I have repeatedly expressed doubts about the genuineness of the
> financial figures of many companies, although foreign institutional
> investors (FIIs) and many renowned domestic institutional investors
> (DIIs) were shareholders of precisely such shady companies, even as many
> brokerage houses, print and electronic media wereflashing 'buy'
> recommendations on them. I mainly track mid-cap and small-cap companies.
> Large companies are smart enough to camouflage their figures. It is much
> easier to find flaws in the accounting of small- and mid-cap companies.
> What is the arsenal of tricks employed by promoters to siphon off money
> or fudge their accounts? How do they pump up their share prices and dump
> them on the public?
>
> Here are few examples of how promoters do it. These are actual examples,
> but we have opted to change their names because the idea is to educate
> investors about management tricks.
>
> Suppress Income:Consider textile companies. All of us believe that they
> don't make money. This is not true. It is only that the promoters are
> adept at hiding margins. Some listed companies have at least 15-20
> private limited companies, two or three proprietary firms, five or six
> partnership firms in the promoter's wife's name, in his in-law's name,
> in the married daughter's name or even in the names of trusted employees
> who have been working with the promoter for 20-30 years. It sells
> finished products to private firms that are directly or indirectly owned
> by the promoters at cost price or even a small loss. Those private
> firms, in turn, sell the products to the dealer, wholesaler or
> distributor and make huge profits.
>
> I can definitely say that listed companies like Ramdiya Mills and Karma
> Fabrics or Synth Fabrics -- have adopted this practice since inception
> and continue to do so even now. If you look at their cost structure, it
> will become very clear. Ramdiya Mills and Karma Fabrics have large
> reputed brands. Since they buy hundreds of crores worth of yarn every
> year, they get it at the lowest possible price. They get an additional
> price benefit by making cash payments to suppliers. Since the product
> they sell is a premium product, these companies ought to have a net
> profit margin of at least 12%-15% whereas they hardly show a margin of
> 2%-3%. Text100 Mills is one of the oldest and reputed cotton textile
> mills with significant exports. But if you look at the segment-wise
> results, the cotton division always shows losses. Where is the money
> going? Most promoters either invest it in real estate or benami accounts
> in India or transfer the money abroad. Of course, each promoter has a
> different way of looting the company and siphoning off money. The
> promoter of Ramdiya Mills is a hands-on guy who looks after practically
> everything. They do not have senior professionals in purchase, marketing
> or branding. Since the promoter takes all decisions, overheads are also
> not large. In this category fall companies, like Gofar and other
> powerloom companies, whose expenses are those of a powerloom, but
> selling price is akin to the organised sector.
>
> In some cases, shareholders' money goes to support the promoter's
> lifestyle. Look at a famous textile company like Monde Fabrics. It has a
> higher cost structure -- the bigger the brand name, the higher is the
> number of employees. Monde's production cost is slightly higher but not
> high enough to show losses. Also, they should be able to show very
> decent profits because they have the latest technology, wastage is low
> and the quality is very good. Their polywool fabric is the most
> expensive in India but their profit is negligible. Where is the money
> going? The promoter's daily expense is in lakhs of rupees which is all
> debited to Monde's corporate account. So, although the selling price of
> Daygod Mills is 20% lower than Monde's, its margin is higher.
>
> Under-reporting of revenues is also rampant in the steel industry. Each
> listed company has at least six or seven unlisted companies through
> which they do a lot of adjustments, depending on the opportunity. They
> decide where to show profits and when to disguise them. In this category
> are companies like Prism Steel and Modern Metals. Look at Modern Metals
> and compare it with River Electricity, a company with a similar profile.
> River Electricity did not have captive mines and neither did Modern. But
> profit margins of Modern have been very low. Their profits are vanishing
> through their unlisted group companies.Dealing in cash is very common in
> the steel industry. Cash sales take place and are not reflected in the
> books. That is why you will find that raw material costs rise
> disproportionately. I knew a person who used to be with a sponge-iron
> company near Mumbai. He told me that every year they sell Rs500 crore
> worth of sponge-iron from their plant, in cash. But all purchases and
> expenses are being fully accounted in the books along with the
> promoter's personal expenses.
>
> Take the example of Kanaka Leaf. Why did that company become sick? I
> know a manager of one of its factories. He tells me that he used to take
> out 90% of the stock in cash and pay excise duty only on 10% of the
> goods. That is one reason why this firm got into legal trouble and that
> factory had to be closed. He was no longer on the payroll; but the owner
> was still paying him Rs25,000 per month. You always know which companies
> are selling in cash by sniffing around at the commodity markets. Look at
> the textile company ABC. If you go to the textile market any time, you
> can buy ABC products in cash. There used to be a company called Garvi
> Fils which closed down. It used to sell most of its production in cash.
> In any textile market, you can get a list of companies which will sell
> yarn in cash. All of them book expenses fully; sell in cash and claim
> that costs have gone up. This is how they fool investors.
>
> One major way in which promoters enrich themselves is by selling waste
> (or passing off even quality material as waste) in cash and pocket the
> money. This is rampant in the metals and cable industry. Jewel Steel is
> the king of this. It sells waste as well as fresh material as waste. It
> even sells zinc which is used for galvanising. You can go to any metal
> merchant in Delhi and enquire how much zinc Jewel Steel is selling and
> how much copper Melton Cable is selling in the open market. This is a
> common feature of the metal traders in Delhi where almost 80% of the
> business is done in cash. Companies sell to wholesalers; wholesalers
> sell to small converters and so on. There is an active cash market and
> promoters are able to sell as much of quality finished goods, raw
> materials, by-products or waste.
>
> Fake Bills:The most common practice among corporates is to buy fake
> bills for a small price, make the payment against these bills by cheque
> and instead of receiving goods, ask for the money back in cash. This is
> a common practice among the marwari business houses of Kolkata. They buy
> bills of Rs10 crore or Rs20 crore ostensibly for raw material purchase
> and pay for it by cheque. The material never comes to the warehouse;
> instead they get the money back in cash, minus a tiny commission for the
> fake bill. Naturally, the companies show losses or meagre profits. They
> are not inefficient companies, neither are the promoters fools. They
> simply siphon off cash by buying the bills and under-report sales. This
> leads to losses.
>
> When Laltane Solutions made its IPO, some Delhi-based operators
> regularly contacted me to say that the stock would list at Rs500 against
> an issue price of Rs250. They offered me shares at Rs400 and openly
> admitted that they belonged to the promoter. That is how they made money
> in the stock market. When you think of operators, don't think of shadowy
> individuals. They could well be institutions with a big name and shining
> public image.
>
> Visher Agro buys wheat from the market, converts it into flour and sells
> it to a food company selling branded atta. It is also into rice milling.
> It is not selling anything under its own brand name. It is just a
> converter. The promoter entered into an agreement with an operator and
> his share price rose to Rs200+ from just Rs15; it has now dropped 70%
> from the highs. He claims to have set up an unlisted company which will
> set up a 20MW co-generation power plant for which he is in talks with
> Blackstone. He was making up this story but he could not succeed in
> raising the money as the operator quit the counter.
>
> Another trick by Indian promoters is to announce a joint venture (JV)
> for a new project. After a while, there are reports about differences
> between the JV partners. The money invested in the JV is never
> recovered. It is written off over five or seven years. All this is
> well-planned. The JV is floated precisely to siphon off money by taking
> away money invested in the JV. For instance, Albert Hotels of Bengaluru
> paid Rs15 crore as its share in a JV with a Pune-based company to set up
> a five-star hotel in Pune. It later pulled out of the venture due to
> differences over management control and said it would file a lawsuit to
> recover its investment. But industry sources told me that the promoter
> has already taken back the money in cash and written off the investment
> in its books. This is a popular trick among marwari companies. They lend
> money to unlisted companies owned by the promoters either directly or
> indirectly and the money is never recovered.
>
> As all these examples show, Indian promoters are not stupid or less
> intelligent or don't know how to run their businesses. They are actually
> a step ahead of other professionally managed companies. They are much
> more intelligent, savvy and street smart. They know how to negotiate
> with suppliers for the lowest possible price, how to cut costs and how
> to siphon off money. Most of them have trusted people or relatives in
> key strategic posts to prevent pilferage. Even while selling, they know
> how to negotiate hard to get the highest price. They work hard and make
> a lot of money but they don't want to share it with you.
>
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