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Sunday, February 07, 2010

Re: [Technical-Investor] Where are you going Miss Nifty??

 

hi abhijit selukar,

// 6. What will happen when MF/Insurance money dries out?? //

do u really think this money will dry out ? I believe Feb and Mar are peak months for MF / Insurance collections...further DII investment amount in equity may appear huge but in percentage terms it is very small in comparison to total surplus available which includes profit on sales also.
Just fyi

best
sri


 
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Sent: Sunday, February 07, 2010 3:05 PM
Subject: Re: [Technical-Investor ] Where are you going Miss Nifty??

 

Totally Agreed.
I had the similar question in my mind on friday morning.
Posted it on this forum and Prashant replied with an para from Reminiscence of a stock operator.

Anyways i will see on monday.

I guess the short covering rally in US was based on a HOPE that some announcement will come from Europe over the weekend. It has not come yet.
Few more problems according to me
1. DII especially insurance companies were the ones who HELPED the govt to fully subscribe the NPTC FPO. ( a total of 8000 crs, 1.8 billion dollar in total).
2. Dollar Index still moving up.
3. Crude falling down , this will have impact on ONGC and RIL (which constitute 20% of index)
4. US futures fell 43 points in the after hour trading in US.
5. The rally which we witnessed in our market on saturday happened only in last few mins of the trade. Also FIIs were net sellers.
6. What will happen when MF/Insurance money dries out??

There is one more point i want to make. This comes from small observations and readings.
Retails looks to be absent from trading. When we had huge retail participation we used to have sharp correction and then again a rally.
Coz retail is not present(in relative terms), i think the downfall will be slow (unless some bad news flows from Eurozone)

PS: Views biased ...you can guess why. :)
I am not ruling out the possibility of 4880. but this according to me will decide our short term direction.

Regards,
Abhi


On Sun, Feb 7, 2010 at 2:28 PM, Abhijit <ap19632000@yahoo. com> wrote:
 

Abhijit,
 
I never meant that the one way upwards journey is set to restart.
 
My caution for those holding shorts - to follow certain levels, since if someone has gone short at say 4850- there is no point in holding the short if Nifty goes back all the way above 4830, thus causing a loss in profit if 170 points! The levels given can be followed to decide when to exit shorts and whether / when to go long.
 
I believe this might be a fast rally, since we have the budget ahead of us, and ' the operators' and the government too would like the 'retail' to believe that this was just a small pulback and now AALL IZZ WELL....we have seen this happen so many times.
 
I too do have targets of 4250 and 3820 on the Nifty for 2010, but definitely not in February as some have been led to believe.
 
AP
 
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Sunday, February 07, 2010 12:53 AM
Subject: Re: [Technical-Investor ] Where are you going Miss Nifty??

 

If the market had to go up, it could have done that today, with lot less pressure from FIIs, but then it moved down. I understand it could have done that for testing the support.
By the way FII were net seller today also. (not much given only 1.5 hrs of trading).
The DOW futures actually moved down after the market closed in US. The DOW futures is showing a reading of -43.

Check out this link
http://www.cnbc. com/id/35258021 - Portugal passes a bill to INCREASE deficit.
Because of this there will be some impact on Euro weakening.

I am not sure if we will cross 4880 on the upside.


On Sat, Feb 6, 2010 at 4:57 PM, Abhijit <ap19632000@yahoo. com> wrote:
 

I strongly believe, we have seen a bottom at the low of Friday - how long it will hold is something no one can say.
 
Why do I believe this -
 
-    Hourly stochastics are near 5.
-    Positive divergence on RSI
-    Positive divergence on MACD.
-    the 200 dma was almost touched (not necessary to actually touch it)
-    S & P bounced hard from the 200 DMA last night.
 
So guys, wake up early at 5.30 am on Monday and start tracking Nikkei, then Hang Seng which will tell you whether we open flat, gap down, or GAP UP ABOVE 4790, and then start tracking Nifty on SGX till 9 am.
 
But assuming a short  term bottom is in place the first hurdle is the trend line which is near 4830ish.
 
-  Very likely
 
A close above this TL can take Nifty to the first retracement level (38.2%) near 4930.
 
- Likely
 
A close above 4930 will take Nifty to the 200 HMA near 5107 - of course, by then this 200 HMA would have come down a bit, and will not remain at 5107.
 
hmm....Not impossible.
 
A close above 5107 will take Nifty to the final hurdle 5180 (61.8%), and beyond this the parallel channel top can also be a target - 5400 - 5450!!
 
- Difficult to believe!!
 
It is all happening on a screen in front of you next week - stay tuned...:)
 
All the above can be options for a POLL?  ....hehehe
 
AP
 
 



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Re: [Technical-Investor] GMMA

 

Hi,
Thanks . Pl send the link to the book trend trading.
 
Thanks once again,
 
ranadenitin

From: Jayakrishnan <jayakrish2001@yahoo.com>
To: Technical-Investor@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sun, February 7, 2010 3:22:05 PM
Subject: [Technical-Investor] GMMA

 




Hi Floyd,

The following mail returned undelivered, because of the e-book size. I have removed the e-book "Trend Trading" by Daryl Guppy and resending the mail. If you are interested the book is available in 4shared.com from where I have downloaded the book.

If you are unable to get it please let me know. I will make alternative arrangements to upload the book from my end.

Jk.
--- On Sun, 2/7/10, Jayakrishnan <jayakrish2001@ yahoo.com> wrote:

From: Jayakrishnan <jayakrish2001@ yahoo.com>
Subject: GMMA
To: Technical-Investor@ yahoogroups. com
Date: Sunday, February 7, 2010, 3:00 PM

Hi Floyd,

I think it is quite alright to discuss this in the forum, after all the subject matter is about TA only. And it would be wonderful if somebody also benefit from it or come out with improvements and suggestions which would be more helpful to all of us concerned.

I have attached two articles, both written by Daryl Guppy and an e-book "Trend Trading" also written by him.

Here is a small but a crisp write up

http://tradermike. net/2004/ 05/another_ look_at_multiple _moving_averages 

Regarding QT, only the free version comes with three days continuous live quotes. If you register after downloading the free version for a small fee (I vaguely remember I paid Rs.4000 plus for six months live intraday data) you get 10 days continuous intraday quotes and historical data for stocks. No historical data for Nifty spot.

Another thing, you have only Nifty spot and no futures. It is ok for me, personally.  I observed so many times, because futures quote some times with premium and sometimes with discount, it touches your entry price and moves away in the opposite direction. It triggers stop loss level and will resume the direction in which you originally placed your trade. So I am quite happy to trade looking at the chart of underlying and when my entry price at underlying is reached I place order at the equivalent price of the future.

Hope this helps,

Jk.


--- On Sun, 2/7/10, FLOYD JOHNY LEWIS <fjl24@yahoo. com> wrote:

From: FLOYD JOHNY LEWIS <fjl24@yahoo. com>
Subject: Re: [Technical-Investor ] Thanks Jay
To: Technical-Investor@ yahoogroups. com
Date: Sunday, February 7, 2010, 11:48 AM

 

Hi Jay
 
Thanks a million for your quick response. Surely appreciated it.
 
Dear Members
 
Sorry for making this sort of a personal discussion between me and Jay - it was more of a slip from my end.
 
Regards
Floyd

--- On Sun, 2/7/10, Jayakrishnan <jayakrish2001@ yahoo.com> wrote:

From: Jayakrishnan <jayakrish2001@ yahoo.com>
Subject: [Technical-Investor ] Re: Hi From Floyd
To: Technical-Investor@ yahoogroups. com
Date: Sunday, February 7, 2010, 12:22 AM

 

Hi Floyd,


I am really happy to see a mail from you after a long long time. I am fine and I hope everything is ok with you too.


How well does it work on the intraday charts and Nifty in particular?


Floyd, I trade only in NIFTY. I use it exclusively for Nifty and for intraday observation, with the settings I mentioned in the mail  to Mr. Chockkalingam.


Does the points captured using GMMA reasonable enough for the efforts put in?


In fact, the MACD cross over (the change of colour from green to red) and Stoch cross over gives the first signal. By this time 3EMA would be touching 15 EMA giving confirmation.


I was able to capitalize two nice short calls during this bearish phase which started around Jan 7, courtesy: GMMA.  Bcoz after the entry both the sets of EMAs are well separated and falling which gave great confidence to keep overnight position (my sleep was not be disturbed by the open position) and it paid well.


I suggest you to hide the price bars now and then and look only at the EMAs as "Traders" and "Investors". This gives a more clearer picture of the Market action.


Secondly, in one of Chartnexus charting software Newsletter, the setting for shorter term EMAs are given differently, when plotted, it gave me even a better visual appeal, so my short term EMAs are 3,5,7,9,11,13, 15.


I heard Alexander Elder say in one of his videos that he refers to weekly chart first and observe the trend there  then he look at the daily chart and observe the trend here, if both trends are same then only he will take the trade in that direction. What you say is in line with his observation. It is good to look at the EOD chart first and what you see there is same with intraday chart, I think we can hope for a successful trade more confidently.


What's your personal observation in live markets on the same?


I was a day trader and was not comfortable with keeping overnight positions. GMMA gave me confidence to keep overnight positions and it helped me to take swing trades.


All the best and keep posting to the forum as often as before, Floyd.


Jk.

PS: Now I am not following the method I used sometime back. The present one is better than the previous one in terms of profits. Similarly if I find something better in the future and if it gives me still better returns, I would change my view point. The point is "Opinions are subject to change –without prior notice".  :- ))))



--- On Sun, 2/7/10, FLOYD JOHNY LEWIS <fjl24@yahoo. com> wrote:


From: FLOYD JOHNY LEWIS <fjl24@yahoo. com>
Subject: Hi From Floyd
To: jayakrish2001@ yahoo.com
Date: Sunday, February 7, 2010, 12:35 AM

Hi Jay
 
Hope all's fine at your end.
 
Watched you post the Nifty Range Bar Charts with Daryl Guppy's GMMA indicators plotted on it.
 
Just a query based on the same - How well does it work on the intraday charts and Nifty in particular.
 
Does the points captured using GMMA reasonable enough for the efforts put in.
 
I have been doing some R&D on the GMMA lately and observed on receipt of a signal combining it with trendlines do give a good trade based on the eod charts.
 
What's your personal observation in live markets on the same.
 
Do share your views at your convenience.
 
Trade Well and Have a Joyful Weekend.
Regards & God Bless
Floyd

--- On Fri, 2/5/10, Jayakrishnan <jayakrish2001@ yahoo.com> wrote:


From: Jayakrishnan <jayakrish2001@ yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [Technical-Investor ] OFF TOPIC Faith, after all no one has seen God!
To: Technical-Investor@ yahoogroups. com
Date: Friday, February 5, 2010, 8:01 PM


 







It is a wonderful piece of work, no doubt, from the view point of logic and reasoning. But the inclusion of Einstein's name marred the very purpose of the message, at least for those who know Einstien's "take" on God.

The Truth

There is no evidence that this exchange ever took place.
This eRumor has circulated without Einstein's name and someone added it to a version that started circulating in the summer of 2004.
Also, it is not likely that young Einstein would have presented this argument.
In his Autobiographical Notes, he states that even though his Jewish family was not religious, he developed a "deep religiosity" as Jewish child that came to an end when he was 12.
He says he developed a skeptical attitude that never left him.
He made reference to "God" on many occasions but also said he did not believe some of the stories in the Bible
and did not believe in a personal God.

Source: http://www.truthorf iction.com/ rumors/e/ einstein- god.htm


Jk.

--- On Sat, 2/6/10, Ray Seth <rayseth@gmail. com> wrote:


From: Ray Seth <rayseth@gmail. com>
Subject: Re: [Technical-Investor ] OFF TOPIC Faith, after all no one has seen God!
To: Technical-Investor@ yahoogroups. com
Date: Saturday, February 6, 2010, 6:05 AM


 


No such incident was ever reported in Albert Einstein's life.
 
Here are two quotes by Einstein on God.

I do not believe in a personal God and I have never denied this but have expressed it clearly. If something is in me which can be called religious then it is the unbounded admiration for the structure of the world so far as our science can reveal it. (Albert Einstein, 1954)
I believe in Spinoza's God who reveals himself in the orderly harmony of what exists, not in a God who concerns himself with the fates and actions of human beings. (Albert Einstein)
Regards
Ray

On Sat, Feb 6, 2010 at 5:14 AM, V Srinivasan <vsvasan.v@gmail. com> wrote:




A very interesting off topic subject.
seenu





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A VERY INTERESTING CONVERSATION : Worth Reading

An Atheist Professor of Philosophy was speaking to his Class on the problem Science has with GOD, the ALMIGHTY. He asked one of his New Christian Students to stand and . . .

Professor : You are a Christian, aren't you, son ?
Student : Yes, sir.
Professor : So, you Believe in GOD ?
Student : Absolutely, sir.
Professor : Is GOD Good ?
Student : Sure.
Professor : Is GOD ALL - POWERFUL ?
Student : Yes.
Professor : My Brother died of Cancer even though he Prayed to GOD to Heal him. Most of us would attempt to help others who are ill. But GOD didn't.

How is this GOD good then? Hmm?

(Student was silent )

Professor : You can't answer, can you ? Let's start again, Young Fella. Is GOD Good?
Student : Yes.
Professor : Is Satan good ?
Student : No.
Professor : Where
does Satan come from ?
Student : From . . . GOD . . .
Professor : That's right. Tell Me son, is there evil in this World?
Student : Yes.
Professor : Evil is everywhere, isn't it ? And GOD did make everything. Correct?
Student : Yes.
Professor : So who created evil ?

(Student did not answer)

Professor : Is there Sickness? Immorality? Hatred? Ugliness?
All these terrible things exist in the World, don't they?
Student : Yes, sir.
Professor : So, who Created them ?

(Student had no answer)

Professor : Science says you have 5 Senses you use to Identify and Observe the World around you. Tell me, son . . . Have you ever Seen GOD?
Student : No, sir.
Professor : Tell us if you have ever Heard your GOD?
Student : No , sir.
Professor : Have you ever Felt your GOD, Tasted your GOD, Smelt your GOD? Have you ever had any Sensory Perception of GOD for that matter?
Student : No, sir. I'm afraid I
haven't.
Professor : Yet you still Believe in HIM?
Student : Yes.
Professor : According to Empirical, Testable, Demonstrable Protocol, Science says your GOD doesn't exist. What do you say to that, son?
Student : Nothing. I only have my Faith.
Professor : Yes,Faith. And that is the problem Science has.
Student : Professor, is there such a thing as Heat?
Professor : Yes.
Student : And is there such a thing as Cold?
Professor : Yes.
Student : No, sir. There isn't.

(The Lecture Theatre became very quiet with this turn of events )

Student : Sir, you can have Lots of Heat, even More Heat, Superheat, Mega Heat, White Heat,
a Little Heat or No Heat. But we don't have anything called Cold.
We can hit 458 Degrees below Zero which is No Heat, but we can't go

any further after that. There is no such thing as Cold.
Cold is only a Word we use to describe the Absence of Heat.
We cannot Measure Cold. Heat
is Energy.
Cold is Not the Opposite of Heat, sir, just the Absence of it.

(There was Pin-Drop Silence in the Lecture Theatre )

Student : What about Darkness, Professor? Is there such a thing as Darkness?
Professor : Yes. What is Night if there isn't Darkness?
Student : You're wrong again, sir.
Darkness is the Absence of Something
You can have Low Light, Normal Light, Bright Light, Flashing Light . . .
But if you have No Light constantly, you have nothing and its called

Darkness, isn't it?
In reality, Darkness isn't.
If it is, were you would be able to make Darkness Darker, wouldn't you?
Professor : So what is the point you are making, Young Man ?
Student : Sir, my point is your Philosophical Premise is flawed.
Professor : Flawed ? Can you explain how?
Student : Sir, you are working on the Premise of Duality.
You argue there is Life and then there is Death, a Good GOD

and a Bad
GOD.
You are viewing the Concept of GOD as something finite, something

we can measure.
Sir, Science can't even explain a Thought.
It uses Electricity and Magnetism, but has never seen, much less fully

understood either one.
To view Death as the Opposite of Life is to be ignorant of the fact that
Death cannot exist as a Substantive Thing.
Death is Not the Opposite of Life: just the Absence of it
Now tell me, Professor, do you teach your Students that they evolved from a Monkey?
Professor : If you are referring to the Natural Evolutionary Process, yes, of course, I do.
Student : Have you ever observed Evolution with your own eyes, sir?

(The Professor shook his head with a Smile, beginning to realize where the Argument was going )

Student : Since no one has ever observed the Process of Evolution at work and
Cannot even prove that this Process is an On-Going Endeavor,
Are you not teaching your
Opinion, sir?
Are you not a Scientist but a Preacher?

(The Class was in Uproar )

Student : Is there anyone in the Class who has ever seen the Professor's Brain?

(The Class broke out into Laughter )

Student : Is there anyone here who has ever heard the Professor's Brain,

Felt it, touched or Smelt it? . . .
No one appears to have done so.
So, according to the Established Rules of Empirical, Stable,

Demonstrable Protocol,
Science says that You have No Brain, sir.
With all due respect, sir, how do we then Trust your Lectures, sir?

(The Room was Silent. The Professor stared at the Student, his face unfathomable)

Professor : I guess you'll have to take them on Faith, son.
Student : That is it sir . . . Exactly !
The Link between Man & GOD is FAITH.
That is all that Keeps Things Alive and Moving.


That student was Albert Einstein.

So, I am
told.


 
 
 
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[Technical-Investor] Bulls Come Back Again_Update 4

 

 This is not my view, just forwarding something that I received today.
 
AP
 
 

 

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Re: [Technical-Investor] Thanks Jay

 

wish more slippage from your side as it benefited many like me by getting inside info/technical approach conducted by experts/seniors.

From: FLOYD JOHNY LEWIS <fjl24@yahoo.com>
To: Technical-Investor@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sun, 7 February, 2010 11:48:33 AM
Subject: Re: [Technical-Investor] Thanks Jay

 

Hi Jay
 
Thanks a million for your quick response. Surely appreciated it.
 
Dear Members
 
Sorry for making this sort of a personal discussion between me and Jay - it was more of a slip from my end.
 
Regards
Floyd

--- On Sun, 2/7/10, Jayakrishnan <jayakrish2001@ yahoo.com> wrote:

From: Jayakrishnan <jayakrish2001@ yahoo.com>
Subject: [Technical-Investor ] Re: Hi From Floyd
To: Technical-Investor@ yahoogroups. com
Date: Sunday, February 7, 2010, 12:22 AM

 

Hi Floyd,


I am really happy to see a mail from you after a long long time. I am fine and I hope everything is ok with you too.


How well does it work on the intraday charts and Nifty in particular?


Floyd, I trade only in NIFTY. I use it exclusively for Nifty and for intraday observation, with the settings I mentioned in the mail  to Mr. Chockkalingam.


Does the points captured using GMMA reasonable enough for the efforts put in?


In fact, the MACD cross over (the change of colour from green to red) and Stoch cross over gives the first signal. By this time 3EMA would be touching 15 EMA giving confirmation.


I was able to capitalize two nice short calls during this bearish phase which started around Jan 7, courtesy: GMMA.  Bcoz after the entry both the sets of EMAs are well separated and falling which gave great confidence to keep overnight position (my sleep was not be disturbed by the open position) and it paid well.


I suggest you to hide the price bars now and then and look only at the EMAs as "Traders" and "Investors". This gives a more clearer picture of the Market action.


Secondly, in one of Chartnexus charting software Newsletter, the setting for shorter term EMAs are given differently, when plotted, it gave me even a better visual appeal, so my short term EMAs are 3,5,7,9,11,13, 15.


I heard Alexander Elder say in one of his videos that he refers to weekly chart first and observe the trend there  then he look at the daily chart and observe the trend here, if both trends are same then only he will take the trade in that direction. What you say is in line with his observation. It is good to look at the EOD chart first and what you see there is same with intraday chart, I think we can hope for a successful trade more confidently.


What's your personal observation in live markets on the same?


I was a day trader and was not comfortable with keeping overnight positions. GMMA gave me confidence to keep overnight positions and it helped me to take swing trades.


All the best and keep posting to the forum as often as before, Floyd.


Jk.

PS: Now I am not following the method I used sometime back. The present one is better than the previous one in terms of profits. Similarly if I find something better in the future and if it gives me still better returns, I would change my view point. The point is "Opinions are subject to change –without prior notice".  :- ))))



--- On Sun, 2/7/10, FLOYD JOHNY LEWIS <fjl24@yahoo. com> wrote:


From: FLOYD JOHNY LEWIS <fjl24@yahoo. com>
Subject: Hi From Floyd
To: jayakrish2001@ yahoo.com
Date: Sunday, February 7, 2010, 12:35 AM

Hi Jay
 
Hope all's fine at your end.
 
Watched you post the Nifty Range Bar Charts with Daryl Guppy's GMMA indicators plotted on it.
 
Just a query based on the same - How well does it work on the intraday charts and Nifty in particular.
 
Does the points captured using GMMA reasonable enough for the efforts put in.
 
I have been doing some R&D on the GMMA lately and observed on receipt of a signal combining it with trendlines do give a good trade based on the eod charts.
 
What's your personal observation in live markets on the same.
 
Do share your views at your convenience.
 
Trade Well and Have a Joyful Weekend.
Regards & God Bless
Floyd

--- On Fri, 2/5/10, Jayakrishnan <jayakrish2001@ yahoo.com> wrote:


From: Jayakrishnan <jayakrish2001@ yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [Technical-Investor ] OFF TOPIC Faith, after all no one has seen God!
To: Technical-Investor@ yahoogroups. com
Date: Friday, February 5, 2010, 8:01 PM


 







It is a wonderful piece of work, no doubt, from the view point of logic and reasoning. But the inclusion of Einstein's name marred the very purpose of the message, at least for those who know Einstien's "take" on God.

The Truth

There is no evidence that this exchange ever took place.
This eRumor has circulated without Einstein's name and someone added it to a version that started circulating in the summer of 2004.
Also, it is not likely that young Einstein would have presented this argument.
In his Autobiographical Notes, he states that even though his Jewish family was not religious, he developed a "deep religiosity" as Jewish child that came to an end when he was 12.
He says he developed a skeptical attitude that never left him.
He made reference to "God" on many occasions but also said he did not believe some of the stories in the Bible
and did not believe in a personal God.

Source: http://www.truthorf iction.com/ rumors/e/ einstein- god.htm


Jk.

--- On Sat, 2/6/10, Ray Seth <rayseth@gmail. com> wrote:


From: Ray Seth <rayseth@gmail. com>
Subject: Re: [Technical-Investor ] OFF TOPIC Faith, after all no one has seen God!
To: Technical-Investor@ yahoogroups. com
Date: Saturday, February 6, 2010, 6:05 AM


 


No such incident was ever reported in Albert Einstein's life.
 
Here are two quotes by Einstein on God.

I do not believe in a personal God and I have never denied this but have expressed it clearly. If something is in me which can be called religious then it is the unbounded admiration for the structure of the world so far as our science can reveal it. (Albert Einstein, 1954)
I believe in Spinoza's God who reveals himself in the orderly harmony of what exists, not in a God who concerns himself with the fates and actions of human beings. (Albert Einstein)
Regards
Ray

On Sat, Feb 6, 2010 at 5:14 AM, V Srinivasan <vsvasan.v@gmail. com> wrote:




A very interesting off topic subject.
seenu





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A VERY INTERESTING CONVERSATION : Worth Reading

An Atheist Professor of Philosophy was speaking to his Class on the problem Science has with GOD, the ALMIGHTY. He asked one of his New Christian Students to stand and . . .

Professor : You are a Christian, aren't you, son ?
Student : Yes, sir.
Professor : So, you Believe in GOD ?
Student : Absolutely, sir.
Professor : Is GOD Good ?
Student : Sure.
Professor : Is GOD ALL - POWERFUL ?
Student : Yes.
Professor : My Brother died of Cancer even though he Prayed to GOD to Heal him. Most of us would attempt to help others who are ill. But GOD didn't.

How is this GOD good then? Hmm?

(Student was silent )

Professor : You can't answer, can you ? Let's start again, Young Fella. Is GOD Good?
Student : Yes.
Professor : Is Satan good ?
Student : No.
Professor : Where
does Satan come from ?
Student : From . . . GOD . . .
Professor : That's right. Tell Me son, is there evil in this World?
Student : Yes.
Professor : Evil is everywhere, isn't it ? And GOD did make everything. Correct?
Student : Yes.
Professor : So who created evil ?

(Student did not answer)

Professor : Is there Sickness? Immorality? Hatred? Ugliness?
All these terrible things exist in the World, don't they?
Student : Yes, sir.
Professor : So, who Created them ?

(Student had no answer)

Professor : Science says you have 5 Senses you use to Identify and Observe the World around you. Tell me, son . . . Have you ever Seen GOD?
Student : No, sir.
Professor : Tell us if you have ever Heard your GOD?
Student : No , sir.
Professor : Have you ever Felt your GOD, Tasted your GOD, Smelt your GOD? Have you ever had any Sensory Perception of GOD for that matter?
Student : No, sir. I'm afraid I
haven't.
Professor : Yet you still Believe in HIM?
Student : Yes.
Professor : According to Empirical, Testable, Demonstrable Protocol, Science says your GOD doesn't exist. What do you say to that, son?
Student : Nothing. I only have my Faith.
Professor : Yes,Faith. And that is the problem Science has.
Student : Professor, is there such a thing as Heat?
Professor : Yes.
Student : And is there such a thing as Cold?
Professor : Yes.
Student : No, sir. There isn't.

(The Lecture Theatre became very quiet with this turn of events )

Student : Sir, you can have Lots of Heat, even More Heat, Superheat, Mega Heat, White Heat,
a Little Heat or No Heat. But we don't have anything called Cold.
We can hit 458 Degrees below Zero which is No Heat, but we can't go

any further after that. There is no such thing as Cold.
Cold is only a Word we use to describe the Absence of Heat.
We cannot Measure Cold. Heat
is Energy.
Cold is Not the Opposite of Heat, sir, just the Absence of it.

(There was Pin-Drop Silence in the Lecture Theatre )

Student : What about Darkness, Professor? Is there such a thing as Darkness?
Professor : Yes. What is Night if there isn't Darkness?
Student : You're wrong again, sir.
Darkness is the Absence of Something
You can have Low Light, Normal Light, Bright Light, Flashing Light . . .
But if you have No Light constantly, you have nothing and its called

Darkness, isn't it?
In reality, Darkness isn't.
If it is, were you would be able to make Darkness Darker, wouldn't you?
Professor : So what is the point you are making, Young Man ?
Student : Sir, my point is your Philosophical Premise is flawed.
Professor : Flawed ? Can you explain how?
Student : Sir, you are working on the Premise of Duality.
You argue there is Life and then there is Death, a Good GOD

and a Bad
GOD.
You are viewing the Concept of GOD as something finite, something

we can measure.
Sir, Science can't even explain a Thought.
It uses Electricity and Magnetism, but has never seen, much less fully

understood either one.
To view Death as the Opposite of Life is to be ignorant of the fact that
Death cannot exist as a Substantive Thing.
Death is Not the Opposite of Life: just the Absence of it
Now tell me, Professor, do you teach your Students that they evolved from a Monkey?
Professor : If you are referring to the Natural Evolutionary Process, yes, of course, I do.
Student : Have you ever observed Evolution with your own eyes, sir?

(The Professor shook his head with a Smile, beginning to realize where the Argument was going )

Student : Since no one has ever observed the Process of Evolution at work and
Cannot even prove that this Process is an On-Going Endeavor,
Are you not teaching your
Opinion, sir?
Are you not a Scientist but a Preacher?

(The Class was in Uproar )

Student : Is there anyone in the Class who has ever seen the Professor's Brain?

(The Class broke out into Laughter )

Student : Is there anyone here who has ever heard the Professor's Brain,

Felt it, touched or Smelt it? . . .
No one appears to have done so.
So, according to the Established Rules of Empirical, Stable,

Demonstrable Protocol,
Science says that You have No Brain, sir.
With all due respect, sir, how do we then Trust your Lectures, sir?

(The Room was Silent. The Professor stared at the Student, his face unfathomable)

Professor : I guess you'll have to take them on Faith, son.
Student : That is it sir . . . Exactly !
The Link between Man & GOD is FAITH.
That is all that Keeps Things Alive and Moving.


That student was Albert Einstein.

So, I am
told.


 
 
 
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Posted by nsivaa at 8:15 AM 0 comments

Re: [Technical-Investor] OFF TOPIC Faith, after all no one has seen God!

 

dear MA, nice answer to all those who believes themselves equal to/ahead of god Almighty. what i think is god exists in ones own soul. seeking outside is useless results in certain failure. no need to seek outward. kasturi mrug is the example.
 
                                        jiske dil mein ram nahin, rawan woh hai;
                                dil se jisne rawan ko nikala, ram wahi hai.
   

From: Murtaza Attari <stocks.murtaza@gmail.com>
To: Technical-Investor@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sun, 7 February, 2010 11:08:56 AM
Subject: Re: [Technical-Investor] OFF TOPIC Faith, after all no one has seen God!

 



This is just a small excerpt (truncated at the end) from an email I recd.
I will not and urge others too to not discuss (It is a highly debatable subject with personal and many  different viewpoints)
this email nor the topic any further.
This is just for a small read. What one concludes is their view/reasoning/ problem/whatever ....
 
Just so that we get a slight glimpse of what we are and nothing more .....
 

It took 5000 years for mankind to make an airplane.

But Birds have been flying since time began, and they don't meet with accidents.

 

Men have been walking the earth since eternity.

But Robots are a laugh, at best. The Power of thought or the freedom to feel, can never be inculcated into these pre-programmed Klutzies

 

Where would one rate a Camera to the Eye? Or the computer to the Brain?

 

Similarly the Universe is such a mystery, that the deeper one probes, the more baffled they grow.

Did Intelligence come first or the Universe?

 

And yet, in spite of all extremely obvious conclusions, human kind deduces, that Science has advanced to an extent, where one can take liberty in denying the existence of the Creator.

And some of us are so gullible, that we tend to believe this Joke.

 

True! Science is a conduit for progress of the physical world, but then it has not has not been able to even scratch the surface of this Vast Creation.

Science is far even from infancy, it may not even be in the embryo stage.

 

As aptly put by a Saint "If one studies oneself, will one realize, that his origin is from a smelly drop of semen, and his end is smelly rotting flesh, and in-between, he is a carrier of manure; then, on what premise does he boast of greatness?".

 

If one looks into a blade of grass under a microscope, will one endorse, that it is absolutely beyond the realm of the Human mind, to even comprehend the intricacies of the Creator.    

And Yet, to all the mysteries of the Universe and the Creation, there have to be answers.

Only one needs to know where to look for them.

Science cannot answer them.
 
 
 
 
 
 
----- Original Message -----
From: PRS PTL
Sent: Sunday, February 07, 2010 10:07 AM
Subject: Re: [Technical-Investor ] OFF TOPIC Faith, after all no one has seen God!

if this is what einstein think of God, then I can say that v r same minded.

From: Ray Seth <rayseth@gmail. com>
To: Technical-Investor@ yahoogroups. com
Sent: Sat, 6 February, 2010 6:05:16 AM
Subject: Re: [Technical-Investor ] OFF TOPIC Faith, after all no one has seen God!

 

No such incident was ever reported in Albert Einstein's life.
 
Here are two quotes by Einstein on God.

I do not believe in a personal God and I have never denied this but have expressed it clearly. If something is in me which can be called religious then it is the unbounded admiration for the structure of the world so far as our science can reveal it. (Albert Einstein, 1954)

I believe in Spinoza's God who reveals himself in the orderly harmony of what exists, not in a God who concerns himself with the fates and actions of human beings. (Albert Einstein)

Regards

Ray

On Sat, Feb 6, 2010 at 5:14 AM, V Srinivasan <vsvasan.v@gmail. com> wrote:


A very interesting off topic subject.
seenu


On Fri, Feb 5, 2010 at 11:24 PM, Soundararajan PP <soundararajanpp@ gmail.com> wrote:
 



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Date: Mon, Dec 21, 2009 at 2:21 PM
Subject: <<Aiii>> Fwd: Faith
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A VERY INTERESTING CONVERSATION : Worth Reading

An Atheist Professor of Philosophy was speaking to his Class on the problem Science has with GOD, the ALMIGHTY. He asked one of his New Christian Students to stand and . . .

Professor : You are a Christian, aren't you, son ?
Student : Yes, sir.
Professor : So, you Believe in GOD ?
Student : Absolutely, sir.
Professor : Is GOD Good ?
Student : Sure.
Professor : Is GOD ALL - POWERFUL ?
Student : Yes.
Professor : My Brother died of Cancer even though he Prayed to GOD to Heal him. Most of us would attempt to help others who are ill. But GOD didn't.

How is this GOD good then? Hmm?

(Student was silent )

Professor : You can't answer, can you ? Let's start again, Young Fella. Is GOD Good?
Student : Yes.
Professor : Is Satan good ?
Student : No.
Professor : Where does Satan come from ?
Student : From . . . GOD . . .
Professor : That's right. Tell Me son, is there evil in this World?
Student : Yes.
Professor : Evil is everywhere, isn't it ? And GOD did make everything. Correct?
Student : Yes.
Professor : So who created evil ?

(Student did not answer)

Professor : Is there Sickness? Immorality? Hatred? Ugliness?
All these terrible things exist in the World, don't they?
Student : Yes, sir.
Professor : So, who Created them ?

(Student had no answer)

Professor : Science says you have 5 Senses you use to Identify and Observe the World around you. Tell me, son . . . Have you ever Seen GOD?
Student : No, sir.
Professor : Tell us if you have ever Heard your GOD?
Student : No , sir.
Professor : Have you ever Felt your GOD, Tasted your GOD, Smelt your GOD? Have you ever had any Sensory Perception of GOD for that matter?
Student : No, sir. I'm afraid I haven't.
Professor : Yet you still Believe in HIM?
Student : Yes.
Professor : According to Empirical, Testable, Demonstrable Protocol, Science says your GOD doesn't exist. What do you say to that, son?
Student : Nothing. I only have my Faith.
Professor : Yes,Faith. And that is the problem Science has.
Student : Professor, is there such a thing as Heat?
Professor : Yes.
Student : And is there such a thing as Cold?
Professor : Yes.
Student : No, sir. There isn't.

(The Lecture Theatre became very quiet with this turn of events )

Student : Sir, you can have Lots of Heat, even More Heat, Superheat, Mega Heat, White Heat,
a Little Heat or No Heat. But we don't have anything called Cold.
We can hit 458 Degrees below Zero which is No Heat, but we can't go

any further after that. There is no such thing as Cold.
Cold is only a Word we use to describe the Absence of Heat.
We cannot Measure Cold. Heat is Energy.
Cold is Not the Opposite of Heat, sir, just the Absence of it.

(There was Pin-Drop Silence in the Lecture Theatre )

Student : What about Darkness, Professor? Is there such a thing as Darkness?
Professor : Yes. What is Night if there isn't Darkness?
Student : You're wrong again, sir.
Darkness is the Absence of Something
You can have Low Light, Normal Light, Bright Light, Flashing Light . . .
But if you have No Light constantly, you have nothing and its called

Darkness, isn't it?
In reality, Darkness isn't.
If it is, were you would be able to make Darkness Darker, wouldn't you?
Professor : So what is the point you are making, Young Man ?
Student : Sir, my point is your Philosophical Premise is flawed.
Professor : Flawed ? Can you explain how?
Student : Sir, you are working on the Premise of Duality.
You argue there is Life and then there is Death, a Good GOD

and a Bad GOD.
You are viewing the Concept of GOD as something finite, something

we can measure.
Sir, Science can't even explain a Thought.
It uses Electricity and Magnetism, but has never seen, much less fully

understood either one.
To view Death as the Opposite of Life is to be ignorant of the fact that
Death cannot exist as a Substantive Thing.
Death is Not the Opposite of Life: just the Absence of it
Now tell me, Professor, do you teach your Students that they evolved from a Monkey?
Professor : If you are referring to the Natural Evolutionary Process, yes, of course, I do.
Student : Have you ever observed Evolution with your own eyes, sir?

(The Professor shook his head with a Smile, beginning to realize where the Argument was going )

Student : Since no one has ever observed the Process of Evolution at work and
Cannot even prove that this Process is an On-Going Endeavor,
Are you not teaching your Opinion, sir?
Are you not a Scientist but a Preacher?

(The Class was in Uproar )

Student : Is there anyone in the Class who has ever seen the Professor's Brain?

(The Class broke out into Laughter )

Student : Is there anyone here who has ever heard the Professor's Brain,

Felt it, touched or Smelt it? . . .
No one appears to have done so.
So, according to the Established Rules of Empirical, Stable,

Demonstrable Protocol,
Science says that You have No Brain, sir.
With all due respect, sir, how do we then Trust your Lectures, sir?

(The Room was Silent. The Professor stared at the Student, his face unfathomable)

Professor : I guess you'll have to take them on Faith, son.
Student : That is it sir . . . Exactly !
The Link between Man & GOD is FAITH.
That is all that Keeps Things Alive and Moving.


That student was Albert Einstein.

So, I am told.

 

 

 

Regards & Thanks


Vivek Kumar
(Om Investments)
Sushil Financial Services Pvt. Ltd
Dhanbad
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