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Re: [Technical-Investor] Suzlon OOPS buy at work

2009-11-16T03:52:00.000-08:00

Suzlon was a great pick. Thanks for posting this.

Regards

Ray

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Prashant

Please post scanning OOPs AFL

thank You

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Re: [Technical-Investor] Unusual Patterns

2009-11-16T03:05:00.000-08:00

Can you provide success rate of such patterns?

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Re: [sharetrading] Warren Buffet - meaningful words

2009-11-16T02:58:00.000-08:00

It is not possible !

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Subject: Re: [sharetrading] Warren Buffet - meaningful words
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Date: Monday, November 16, 2009, 10:50 AM

Yeah if you want to be like him :)

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Mr. Ankoor:

Thanks it is a way we should follow our life.

Thanks.

Fazal

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Subject: [sharetrading] Warren Buffet - meaningful words
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Date: Monday, November 16, 2009, 10:11 AM

Such a wonderful mail... wanted to share with you....

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Re: [sharetrading] Warren Buffet - meaningful words

2009-11-16T02:50:00.001-08:00

Yeah if you want to be like him :)

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Mr. Ankoor:

Thanks it is a way we should follow our life.

Thanks.

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Re: [sharetrading] Warren Buffet - meaningful words

2009-11-16T02:46:00.000-08:00

Mr. Ankoor:

Thanks it is a way we should follow our life.

Thanks.

Fazal

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Re: [sharetrading] Exit all long positions above 17500 to 177745 TAHV

2009-11-16T02:44:00.001-08:00

Pradip - thanks for your advice.

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From: deepvihar2001 <kenkre.pradip@gmail.com>
Subject: [sharetrading] Exit all long positions above 17500 to 177745 TAHV
To: sharetrading@yahoogroups.com
Date: Sunday, November 15, 2009, 10:55 PM

Last week, the Sensex opened at 16190.79, attained a low at 16147.21 and moved up to a high of 16909.74 before it finally closed the week at 16848.83 and thereby showed a rise of 690 points on a week-to-week basis. We had raised the question last week: Will the pullback survive? It did survive last week but now the issue is: How long?

The Sensex displayed fairly good strength on the recovery and pullback. It went on to test the 75% retracement level of the fall from 17493 to 15330.

On the daily chart, a trend line that was violated on its way down to 15330 is now offering resistance along with the 75% retracement level which is around 16938. On daily charts, immediate support will be at 16605. On a fall below 16600, we could see a correction of the rise from 15330 to the recent high.

Last week's weekly candle was fairly strong. As a result, the Sensex can test the level of 17493 and could get extended to test the 17735 level. A fall and close below last week's low of 16147 will bring in the downside momentum.

It is very likely that the Sensex may spend time between 17493 and 15330 to develop a structure that can ultimately lead to a slide.

In our earlier updates, we had indicated that the inverted head & shoulder looked like a W pattern; the breakout point of this pattern was in the range of 15579-15600. The Sensex did violate the range but has managed to close above it. The bulls could, therefore manage to bring back the neck above the ground. Last week, we saw some kind of a follow-up rise to the recovery week that was witnessed two weeks back.
For the time being, we need to check if the market can sustain in the higher range of 17394 to 17735.

Weekly support will be at 16635-16360- 16147. Weekly resistance will be at 17123-17493- 17735.

Conclusion

A pullback rise was witnessed and it did survive and sustain at the end of the week. A rise to test the recent high could be witnessed whereas a fall and close below last week's low of 16147 could upset the bulls who are on the recovery charge.

Strategy for the week

Exit all long positions on any pull-back rally that is witnessed to resistance levels or above to 17500 and 17745.

Pradip

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Re: [Technical-Investor] Time Frame

2009-11-16T02:35:00.000-08:00

Dear Ranjit,

Thankyou very much for your bundle of words of wisdom. I have to go through your mail 3-4 times before I can fully grasp it. It is full of many leads which I can follow.

with regards

umesh

From: RANJIT VICHARE <vtijnar@yahoo.co.in>
To: Technical-Investor@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Mon, 16 November, 2009 12:31:34 PM
Subject: Re: [Technical-Investor] Time Frame

Hello Umesh Goel,

As a Technical Analyst you are on the right path. It is prudent to know if the Markets are trending or in a trading range. Always relate the stocks you want to trade in to the actual markets sentiments. If the markets are trending there is a good chance that the stocks you want to trade in will also be in a trending mode.But If the Markets are in a trading zone...the possibilities of a stock trending are minimal. I am not saying that a given stock will not be in a trending mode. But from experience of using indicators and oscillators this is what happens in most of the trades we execute. If you are well versed with Gann Analysis and Elliott Wave analysis then it becomes easier to take this trending Stock trade in a trading range environment. The study of Technical Analysis is forever evolving. So a technical analyst is always learning. Knowledge of Technical Analysis is so vast that it is impossible to know all. While applying your knowledge of Technical Analysis in the field, make sure you keep it simple. This will benefit you in the long run.

Umesh as a trader one must not depend only on a trending market. One must take what ever trade the market has to offer. Only one has to know what the trade has to offer and if it worth taking that trade. In order to do this one has to tune himself to the Market environment and listen to what the market is trying to communicate to you. The value of the Stock to be traded is not important. It is where you put your stop-loss that is important. For example if you have a stop loss of 5 points and are going to make 5 points, the trade is not worth it. In any given scenario the minimum ratio of stop loss : profits, by rule of thumb should be 1:1.618 and there after in the ascending range of the golden ratios.

Umesh concentrate on the cycle studies as this will help you in taking the right decision. By doing this you will filter out so many false signals that are generated by the indicators and Oscillators. For example if you get a buy or a sell signal near a cycle beginning or a cycle end, the potency to be right in taking a trade increases many fold. But remember that the degree of the cycle is important before you make this decision.

I hope what I write to you helps you to take informed decisions while making a trade. I wish you all the best with your trading progress.

With regards,

Ranjit

--- On Sun, 15/11/09, umesh goel <umeshgoel2004@ yahoo.co. in> wrote:

From: umesh goel <umeshgoel2004@ yahoo.co. in>
Subject: Re: [Technical-Investor ] Time Frame
To: Technical-Investor@ yahoogroups. com
Date: Sunday, 15 November, 2009, 11:19 PM

DEAR Ranjit

I totally agree with you. there are different indicators for trending and trading markets. I see the chart and decide emperically wheather it is trading or trending market and use different indicators for them. Normally i prefer trending shares e.g, birla corporation has gone into trading zone, i have slowly exited from it and entered indian hotel which is in a trending zone

From: RANJIT VICHARE <vtijnar@yahoo. co.in>
To: Technical-Investor@ yahoogroups. com
Sent: Sun, 15 November, 2009 3:25:25 PM
Subject: Re: [Technical-Investor ] Time Frame

Hello Floyd,

I know it is difficult to determine the trend on basis of indicators alone. This becomes easier if you can determine if the stock is in a trading mode or a trending mode. Once the mode is decided, Use the Indicators or the Moving averages in all its manifestations. In a Market which is in a trading Range the Indicators will perform well...but if the Market is trending you will get the whipsaws. If the Market were to be trending use the moving averages and not the indicators. Secondly if you are doing Intraday.... increase the time periods on your Indicators. Do not be a compulsive trader. Even if you get two or three trades a day...it is good enough. Thirdly confirm every buy or sell with an alternative that you have learnt in technical analysis. Never base your trade only on one parameter. All the best.

Regards,

Ranjit

--- On Sun, 15/11/09, FLOYD JOHNY LEWIS <fjl24@yahoo. com> wrote:

From: FLOYD JOHNY LEWIS <fjl24@yahoo. com>
Subject: Re: [Technical-Investor ] Time Frame
To: Technical-Investor@ yahoogroups. com
Date: Sunday, 15 November, 2009, 3:00 PM

Hi Abhijit & Jay

Thanks for your valuable inputs.

Agreed - experience counts for sure.

Regards

Floyd

--- On Sun, 11/15/09, Abhijit <ap19632000@yahoo. com> wrote:

From: Abhijit <ap19632000@yahoo. com>
Subject: Re: [Technical-Investor ] Time Frame
To: Technical-Investor@ yahoogroups. com
Date: Sunday, November 15, 2009, 3:41 AM

If you are seeing that you atre likely to get a 'buy' signal, and crossoverr is about to happen, it is safe to place a Buy stop above the high of the previous bar with some filter and wait. If that high is crossed, you will surely get a buy signal.

This comes from experience and you have to keep a constant eye till it happens or whipsaws.

Cheers,

AP

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To: Technical-Investor@ yahoogroups. com

Sent: Sunday, November 15, 2009 1:58 PM

Subject: Re: [Technical-Investor ] Time Frame

Hi Jay & Seniors

Not wanting to be sceptical - just sharing an observation on live markets and am not talking about whipsaws either.

In live markets - as we watch the MA & Stockastic or MACD or RSI for that matter on a candle to candle or bar to bar basis, minute by minute - personally observed that the indicators keep changing directions like a snake moving in a zigzag fashion.

A couple of seconds back you feel that the crossover will now take place and then next second it changes direction leaving each other by a whisker.

The above observations does not impact when the indicators are at overbought or oversold ranges as per respective indicators/oscillat ors.

At EOD everything seems to be pretty clean as the trends are already established - the real challenge is online - tick by tick basis.

Any clues on how to tackle this sort of live situation and dilema.

Thanks in advance

Regards

Floyd

--- On Sat, 11/14/09, Meerut Money Managers <meerutmoneymanagers @yahoo.in> wrote:

From: Meerut Money Managers <meerutmoneymanagers @yahoo.in>
Subject: Re: [Technical-Investor ] Time Frame
To: Technical-Investor@ yahoogroups. com
Date: Saturday, November 14, 2009, 11:53 PM

dear Jayakrishna,

This is a good system and it is called MAMA, although the strike rate for MAMA cross over is good on daily charts that to for too if you wish to hold the stock for longer period of time.

Also as i noticed there is a lag in entry and exit.

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From: Jayakrishnan <jayakrish2001@ yahoo.com>
To: Technical-Investor@ yahoogroups. com
Sent: Sat, 14 November, 2009 10:46:45 PM
Subject: Re: [Technical-Investor ] Time Frame

Dear Sir,

I came across a day trading strategy in the net. The set up was with MA cross overs and stochastics.

The author suggests to enter in 5 minute chart ema cross over signal and stochastic confirmation in both 5 minute and 30 minute charts. If stoch doesn't give bullish signal in 30 minutes chart he asks to wait.

So multi time frame seems to do a fairly good job. For entry he uses lesser time frame (5 min). And for exit the longer time frame (30 min). By exiting in the long time frame chart, one can eliminate whipsaws to great extent and avoid early exit, I believe.

Regards,

Jayakrishnan.

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From: Meerut Money Managers <meerutmoneymanagers @yahoo.in>
Subject: [Technical-Investor ] Time Frame
To: "TECHNICAL ANALYSIS GROUP" <Technical-Investor@ yahoogroups. com>
Date: Saturday, November 14, 2009, 10:28 PM

dear all,

I request from my fellow analyst and traders for their inputs on the following

For Intraday trading which time frame is best suited 3/5/7/10/12/ 15 Min Charts

For BTST 30/60 Mins Charts

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[sharetrading] Re: the file

2009-11-16T02:27:00.000-08:00

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[sharetrading] Warren Buffet - meaningful words

2009-11-16T02:11:00.000-08:00

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Re: [Technical-Investor] Time Frame - Gann Analysis

2009-11-16T02:04:00.001-08:00

Hmmm - Nana/Suhas

Thanks for your inputs.

Have a strong urge to learn Gann's ways of prediction.

Need to try and give it a long shot atleast before giving up.

Would not be indulging upto the levels of Lunar & Solar astrology though.

Ok - Am not sure whether i am permitted to post this link (Not a promotion or anything of that sort from my end - Newbies please dont start trading based on the calls given here as you need to interpret how to trade these calls - not as straight forward as it appears)

http://tradersd.blogspot.com/

Just sharing the above link as was given to understand that the concerned analyst adopts Gann Analysis for determining the targets.

Please observe this blog - was silent for sometime now - again activity has built up - refer to the NIfty Futures & Intra Day Call levels posted daily.

Thanks and Regards

Floyd

--- On Mon, 11/16/09, suhas bhatambarekar <bhatambarekar@gmail.com> wrote:

From: suhas bhatambarekar <bhatambarekar@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Technical-Investor] Time Frame - Gann Analysis
To: Technical-Investor@yahoogroups.com
Date: Monday, November 16, 2009, 3:18 AM

dear floyd,

i personally feel that working with GANN is extremely complex and time consuming. at the end of the day you will find yourself confused. this is my personal opinion. they are other respectable stalwarts in this forum who can guide you otherwise.

GANN was himself a free mason and believed in free masonary and its techniques largely. most of the techniques of free asonary are not avaiable to common public and hence the info.

regards

nana

On 11/16/09, FLOYD JOHNY LEWIS <fjl24@yahoo. com> wrote:

Dear Ranjit & Seniors

Just since Ranjit bought it up am taking this now.

I am personally interested in learning Gann Analysis (minus ofcourse the lunar and solar movements aspect).

Would sincerely appreciate if seniors could guide me accordingly.

For instance:-

Which are the best books on Gann Analysis

Which websites offer good knowledge on Gann Analysis

Any videos on Gann Analysis and so on and so forth.

I have tried googling on Gann and quite a lot of weblinks are thrown up but would be grateful if seniors could share the most worthy amongst them based on their past experiences just to reduce the time factor involved in the learning process.

Thanks in advance

Best Regards

Floyd

--- On Mon, 11/16/09, RANJIT VICHARE <vtijnar@yahoo. co.in> wrote:

From: RANJIT VICHARE <vtijnar@yahoo. co.in>
Subject: Re: [Technical-Investor ] Time Frame
To: Technical-Investor@ yahoogroups. com
Date: Monday, November 16, 2009, 2:01 AM

Hello Umesh Goel,

As a Technical Analyst you are on the right path. It is prudent to know if the Markets are trending or in a trading range. Always relate the stocks you want to trade in to the actual markets sentiments. If the markets are trending there is a good chance that the stocks you want to trade in will also be in a trending mode.But If the Markets are in a trading zone...the possibilities of a stock trending are minimal. I am not saying that a given stock will not be in a trending mode. But from experience of using indicators and oscillators this is what happens in most of the trades we execute. If you are well versed with Gann Analysis and Elliott Wave analysis then it becomes easier to take this trending Stock trade in a trading range environment. The study of Technical Analysis is forever evolving. So a technical analyst is always learning. Knowledge of Technical Analysis is so vast that it is impossible to know all. While applying your knowledge of Technical Analysis in the field, make sure you keep it simple. This will benefit you in the long run.

Umesh as a trader one must not depend only on a trending market. One must take what ever trade the market has to offer. Only one has to know what the trade has to offer and if it worth taking that trade. In order to do this one has to tune himself to the Market environment and listen to what the market is trying to communicate to you. The value of the Stock to be traded is not important. It is where you put your stop-loss that is important. For example if you have a stop loss of 5 points and are going to make 5 points, the trade is not worth it. In any given scenario the minimum ratio of stop loss : profits, by rule of thumb should be 1:1.618 and there after in the ascending range of the golden ratios.

Umesh concentrate on the cycle studies as this will help you in taking the right decision. By doing this you will filter out so many false signals that are generated by the indicators and Oscillators. For example if you get a buy or a sell signal near a cycle beginning or a cycle end, the potency to be right in taking a trade increases many fold. But remember that the degree of the cycle is important before you make this decision.

I hope what I write to you helps you to take informed decisions while making a trade. I wish you all the best with your trading progress.

With regards,

Ranjit

--- On Sun, 15/11/09, umesh goel <umeshgoel2004@ yahoo.co. in> wrote:

From: umesh goel <umeshgoel2004@ yahoo.co. in>
Subject: Re: [Technical-Investor ] Time Frame
To: Technical-Investor@ yahoogroups. com
Date: Sunday, 15 November, 2009, 11:19 PM

DEAR Ranjit

I totally agree with you. there are different indicators for trending and trading markets. I see the chart and decide emperically wheather it is trading or trending market and use different indicators for them. Normally i prefer trending shares e.g, birla corporation has gone into trading zone, i have slowly exited from it and entered indian hotel which is in a trending zone

From: RANJIT VICHARE <vtijnar@yahoo. co.in>
To: Technical-Investor@ yahoogroups. com
Sent: Sun, 15 November, 2009 3:25:25 PM
Subject: Re: [Technical-Investor ] Time Frame

Hello Floyd,

I know it is difficult to determine the trend on basis of indicators alone. This becomes easier if you can determine if the stock is in a trading mode or a trending mode. Once the mode is decided, Use the Indicators or the Moving averages in all its manifestations. In a Market which is in a trading Range the Indicators will perform well...but if the Market is trending you will get the whipsaws. If the Market were to be trending use the moving averages and not the indicators. Secondly if you are doing Intraday.... increase the time periods on your Indicators. Do not be a compulsive trader. Even if you get two or three trades a day...it is good enough. Thirdly confirm every buy or sell with an alternative that you have learnt in technical analysis. Never base your trade only on one parameter. All the best.

Regards,

Ranjit

--- On Sun, 15/11/09, FLOYD JOHNY LEWIS <fjl24@yahoo. com> wrote:

From: FLOYD JOHNY LEWIS <fjl24@yahoo. com>
Subject: Re: [Technical-Investor ] Time Frame
To: Technical-Investor@ yahoogroups. com
Date: Sunday, 15 November, 2009, 3:00 PM

Hi Abhijit & Jay

Thanks for your valuable inputs.

Agreed - experience counts for sure.

Regards

Floyd

--- On Sun, 11/15/09, Abhijit <ap19632000@yahoo. com> wrote:

From: Abhijit <ap19632000@yahoo. com>
Subject: Re: [Technical-Investor ] Time Frame
To: Technical-Investor@ yahoogroups. com
Date: Sunday, November 15, 2009, 3:41 AM

If you are seeing that you atre likely to get a 'buy' signal, and crossoverr is about to happen, it is safe to place a Buy stop above the high of the previous bar with some filter and wait. If that high is crossed, you will surely get a buy signal.

This comes from experience and you have to keep a constant eye till it happens or whipsaws.

Cheers,

AP

----- Original Message -----

From: FLOYD JOHNY LEWIS

To: Technical-Investor@ yahoogroups. com

Sent: Sunday, November 15, 2009 1:58 PM

Subject: Re: [Technical-Investor ] Time Frame

Hi Jay & Seniors

Not wanting to be sceptical - just sharing an observation on live markets and am not talking about whipsaws either.

In live markets - as we watch the MA & Stockastic or MACD or RSI for that matter on a candle to candle or bar to bar basis, minute by minute - personally observed that the indicators keep changing directions like a snake moving in a zigzag fashion.

A couple of seconds back you feel that the crossover will now take place and then next second it changes direction leaving each other by a whisker.

The above observations does not impact when the indicators are at overbought or oversold ranges as per respective indicators/oscillat ors.

At EOD everything seems to be pretty clean as the trends are already established - the real challenge is online - tick by tick basis.

Any clues on how to tackle this sort of live situation and dilema.

Thanks in advance

Regards

Floyd

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Subject: Re: [Technical-Investor ] Time Frame
To: Technical-Investor@ yahoogroups. com
Date: Saturday, November 14, 2009, 11:53 PM

dear Jayakrishna,

This is a good system and it is called MAMA, although the strike rate for MAMA cross over is good on daily charts that to for too if you wish to hold the stock for longer period of time.

Also as i noticed there is a lag in entry and exit.

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From: Jayakrishnan <jayakrish2001@ yahoo.com>
To: Technical-Investor@ yahoogroups. com
Sent: Sat, 14 November, 2009 10:46:45 PM
Subject: Re: [Technical-Investor ] Time Frame

Dear Sir,

I came across a day trading strategy in the net. The set up was with MA cross overs and stochastics.

The author suggests to enter in 5 minute chart ema cross over signal and stochastic confirmation in both 5 minute and 30 minute charts. If stoch doesn't give bullish signal in 30 minutes chart he asks to wait.

So multi time frame seems to do a fairly good job. For entry he uses lesser time frame (5 min). And for exit the longer time frame (30 min). By exiting in the long time frame chart, one can eliminate whipsaws to great extent and avoid early exit, I believe.

Regards,

Jayakrishnan.

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Subject: [Technical-Investor ] Time Frame
To: "TECHNICAL ANALYSIS GROUP" <Technical-Investor@ yahoogroups. com>
Date: Saturday, November 14, 2009, 10:28 PM

dear all,

I request from my fellow analyst and traders for their inputs on the following

For Intraday trading which time frame is best suited 3/5/7/10/12/ 15 Min Charts

For BTST 30/60 Mins Charts

THANKS & REGARDS

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Re: [Technical-Investor] Time Frame - Gann Analysis

2009-11-16T01:48:00.001-08:00

Dear Ranjit

Thanks for all the help.

I honestly believe "Trading Is the most difficult of Professions" and to keep ahead or atleast abreast we all need to put in that extra efforts - "to be very honest we have no choice" if we we intend to continue in this profession for the long run.

God Bless You Dear for sharing your thoughts and also the reading materials.

Trade Well

Regards

Floyd

--- On Mon, 11/16/09, RANJIT VICHARE <vtijnar@yahoo.co.in> wrote:

From: RANJIT VICHARE <vtijnar@yahoo.co.in>
Subject: Re: [Technical-Investor] Time Frame - Gann Analysis
To: Technical-Investor@yahoogroups.com
Date: Monday, November 16, 2009, 4:15 AM

Hello Floyd,

There are no complete works of WD.Gann available. And even if there are, no one will share them with you. The books written by WD. Gann do not give immediate insight to his methods of trading. One has to read between the lines to understand and form your own opinon. But if you can do that you will have tremendous insight into the Gann Theory. Getting the insight is one thing and applying is another.

There are many courses available on the net. But are expensive. Floyd if you have to learn Gann and his methods, try and lay your hand on any and all material you may have access to,regarding this study. Once you do this, get some understanding into the Gann theory and the methods of the great man, then get yourself a State of art software for Gann analysis. Majority of these highend softwares have a training session built in. This will immediately teach you how to go about operating these complex softwares. From here starts your journey into understanding the Gann theory. Although one may never have the understanding of the total theory, one may get somewhere in applying it sucessfuly in the Financial Markets. It is a long drawn process and you will need all your patience, if you have to learn and apply this Gann Theory successfully.

In the attachment you will find the books and the web address of the softwre peoviders. I hope it helps.

Regards,

Ranjt

--- On Mon, 16/11/09, FLOYD JOHNY LEWIS <fjl24@yahoo. com> wrote:

From: FLOYD JOHNY LEWIS <fjl24@yahoo. com>
Subject: [Technical-Investor ] Time Frame - Gann Analysis
To: Technical-Investor@ yahoogroups. com
Date: Monday, 16 November, 2009, 1:38 PM

Dear Ranjit & Seniors

Just since Ranjit bought it up am taking this now.

I am personally interested in learning Gann Analysis (minus ofcourse the lunar and solar movements aspect).

Would sincerely appreciate if seniors could guide me accordingly.

For instance:-

Which are the best books on Gann Analysis

Which websites offer good knowledge on Gann Analysis

Any videos on Gann Analysis and so on and so forth.

I have tried googling on Gann and quite a lot of weblinks are thrown up but would be grateful if seniors could share the most worthy amongst them based on their past experiences just to reduce the time factor involved in the learning process.

Thanks in advance

Best Regards

Floyd

--- On Mon, 11/16/09, RANJIT VICHARE <vtijnar@yahoo. co.in> wrote:

From: RANJIT VICHARE <vtijnar@yahoo. co.in>
Subject: Re: [Technical-Investor ] Time Frame
To: Technical-Investor@ yahoogroups. com
Date: Monday, November 16, 2009, 2:01 AM

Hello Umesh Goel,

As a Technical Analyst you are on the right path. It is prudent to know if the Markets are trending or in a trading range. Always relate the stocks you want to trade in to the actual markets sentiments. If the markets are trending there is a good chance that the stocks you want to trade in will also be in a trending mode.But If the Markets are in a trading zone...the possibilities of a stock trending are minimal. I am not saying that a given stock will not be in a trending mode. But from experience of using indicators and oscillators this is what happens in most of the trades we execute. If you are well versed with Gann Analysis and Elliott Wave analysis then it becomes easier to take this trending Stock trade in a trading range environment. The study of Technical Analysis is forever evolving. So a technical analyst is always learning. Knowledge of Technical Analysis is so vast that it is impossible to know all. While applying your knowledge of Technical Analysis in the field, make sure you keep it simple. This will benefit you in the long run.

Umesh as a trader one must not depend only on a trending market. One must take what ever trade the market has to offer. Only one has to know what the trade has to offer and if it worth taking that trade. In order to do this one has to tune himself to the Market environment and listen to what the market is trying to communicate to you. The value of the Stock to be traded is not important. It is where you put your stop-loss that is important. For example if you have a stop loss of 5 points and are going to make 5 points, the trade is not worth it. In any given scenario the minimum ratio of stop loss : profits, by rule of thumb should be 1:1.618 and there after in the ascending range of the golden ratios.

Umesh concentrate on the cycle studies as this will help you in taking the right decision. By doing this you will filter out so many false signals that are generated by the indicators and Oscillators. For example if you get a buy or a sell signal near a cycle beginning or a cycle end, the potency to be right in taking a trade increases many fold. But remember that the degree of the cycle is important before you make this decision.

I hope what I write to you helps you to take informed decisions while making a trade. I wish you all the best with your trading progress.

With regards,

Ranjit

--- On Sun, 15/11/09, umesh goel <umeshgoel2004@ yahoo.co. in> wrote:

From: umesh goel <umeshgoel2004@ yahoo.co. in>
Subject: Re: [Technical-Investor ] Time Frame
To: Technical-Investor@ yahoogroups. com
Date: Sunday, 15 November, 2009, 11:19 PM

DEAR Ranjit

I totally agree with you. there are different indicators for trending and trading markets. I see the chart and decide emperically wheather it is trading or trending market and use different indicators for them. Normally i prefer trending shares e.g, birla corporation has gone into trading zone, i have slowly exited from it and entered indian hotel which is in a trending zone

From: RANJIT VICHARE <vtijnar@yahoo. co.in>
To: Technical-Investor@ yahoogroups. com
Sent: Sun, 15 November, 2009 3:25:25 PM
Subject: Re: [Technical-Investor ] Time Frame

Hello Floyd,

I know it is difficult to determine the trend on basis of indicators alone. This becomes easier if you can determine if the stock is in a trading mode or a trending mode. Once the mode is decided, Use the Indicators or the Moving averages in all its manifestations. In a Market which is in a trading Range the Indicators will perform well...but if the Market is trending you will get the whipsaws. If the Market were to be trending use the moving averages and not the indicators. Secondly if you are doing Intraday.... increase the time periods on your Indicators. Do not be a compulsive trader. Even if you get two or three trades a day...it is good enough. Thirdly confirm every buy or sell with an alternative that you have learnt in technical analysis. Never base your trade only on one parameter. All the best.

Regards,

Ranjit

--- On Sun, 15/11/09, FLOYD JOHNY LEWIS <fjl24@yahoo. com> wrote:

From: FLOYD JOHNY LEWIS <fjl24@yahoo. com>
Subject: Re: [Technical-Investor ] Time Frame
To: Technical-Investor@ yahoogroups. com
Date: Sunday, 15 November, 2009, 3:00 PM

Hi Abhijit & Jay

Thanks for your valuable inputs.

Agreed - experience counts for sure.

Regards

Floyd

--- On Sun, 11/15/09, Abhijit <ap19632000@yahoo. com> wrote:

From: Abhijit <ap19632000@yahoo. com>
Subject: Re: [Technical-Investor ] Time Frame
To: Technical-Investor@ yahoogroups. com
Date: Sunday, November 15, 2009, 3:41 AM

If you are seeing that you atre likely to get a 'buy' signal, and crossoverr is about to happen, it is safe to place a Buy stop above the high of the previous bar with some filter and wait. If that high is crossed, you will surely get a buy signal.

This comes from experience and you have to keep a constant eye till it happens or whipsaws.

Cheers,

AP

----- Original Message -----

From: FLOYD JOHNY LEWIS

To: Technical-Investor@ yahoogroups. com

Sent: Sunday, November 15, 2009 1:58 PM

Subject: Re: [Technical-Investor ] Time Frame

Hi Jay & Seniors

Not wanting to be sceptical - just sharing an observation on live markets and am not talking about whipsaws either.

In live markets - as we watch the MA & Stockastic or MACD or RSI for that matter on a candle to candle or bar to bar basis, minute by minute - personally observed that the indicators keep changing directions like a snake moving in a zigzag fashion.

A couple of seconds back you feel that the crossover will now take place and then next second it changes direction leaving each other by a whisker.

The above observations does not impact when the indicators are at overbought or oversold ranges as per respective indicators/oscillat ors.

At EOD everything seems to be pretty clean as the trends are already established - the real challenge is online - tick by tick basis.

Any clues on how to tackle this sort of live situation and dilema.

Thanks in advance

Regards

Floyd

--- On Sat, 11/14/09, Meerut Money Managers <meerutmoneymanagers @yahoo.in> wrote:

From: Meerut Money Managers <meerutmoneymanagers @yahoo.in>
Subject: Re: [Technical-Investor ] Time Frame
To: Technical-Investor@ yahoogroups. com
Date: Saturday, November 14, 2009, 11:53 PM

dear Jayakrishna,

This is a good system and it is called MAMA, although the strike rate for MAMA cross over is good on daily charts that to for too if you wish to hold the stock for longer period of time.

Also as i noticed there is a lag in entry and exit.

THANKS & REGARDS

MEERUT MONEY MANAGERS (MMM)
www.meerutmoneymana gers.com

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From: Jayakrishnan <jayakrish2001@ yahoo.com>
To: Technical-Investor@ yahoogroups. com
Sent: Sat, 14 November, 2009 10:46:45 PM
Subject: Re: [Technical-Investor ] Time Frame

Dear Sir,

I came across a day trading strategy in the net. The set up was with MA cross overs and stochastics.

The author suggests to enter in 5 minute chart ema cross over signal and stochastic confirmation in both 5 minute and 30 minute charts. If stoch doesn't give bullish signal in 30 minutes chart he asks to wait.

So multi time frame seems to do a fairly good job. For entry he uses lesser time frame (5 min). And for exit the longer time frame (30 min). By exiting in the long time frame chart, one can eliminate whipsaws to great extent and avoid early exit, I believe.

Regards,

Jayakrishnan.

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From: Meerut Money Managers <meerutmoneymanagers @yahoo.in>
Subject: [Technical-Investor ] Time Frame
To: "TECHNICAL ANALYSIS GROUP" <Technical-Investor@ yahoogroups. com>
Date: Saturday, November 14, 2009, 10:28 PM

dear all,

I request from my fellow analyst and traders for their inputs on the following

For Intraday trading which time frame is best suited 3/5/7/10/12/ 15 Min Charts

For BTST 30/60 Mins Charts

THANKS & REGARDS

MEERUT MONEY MANAGERS (MMM)
www.meerutmoneymana gers.com

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Re: [Technical-Investor] Time Frame - Gann Analysis

2009-11-16T01:15:00.001-08:00

Hello Floyd,

There are no complete works of WD.Gann available. And even if there are, no one will share them with you. The books written by WD. Gann do not give immediate insight to his methods of trading. One has to read between the lines to understand and form your own opinon. But if you can do that you will have tremendous insight into the Gann Theory. Getting the insight is one thing and applying is another.

There are many courses available on the net. But are expensive. Floyd if you have to learn Gann and his methods, try and lay your hand on any and all material you may have access to,regarding this study. Once you do this, get some understanding into the Gann theory and the methods of the great man, then get yourself a State of art software for Gann analysis. Majority of these highend softwares have a training session built in. This will immediately teach you how to go about operating these complex softwares. From here starts your journey into understanding the Gann theory. Although one may never have the understanding of the total theory, one may get somewhere in applying it sucessfuly in the Financial Markets. It is a long drawn process and you will need all your patience, if you have to learn and apply this Gann Theory successfully.

In the attachment you will find the books and the web address of the softwre peoviders. I hope it helps.

Regards,

Ranjt

--- On Mon, 16/11/09, FLOYD JOHNY LEWIS <fjl24@yahoo.com> wrote:

From: FLOYD JOHNY LEWIS <fjl24@yahoo.com>
Subject: [Technical-Investor] Time Frame - Gann Analysis
To: Technical-Investor@yahoogroups.com
Date: Monday, 16 November, 2009, 1:38 PM

Dear Ranjit & Seniors

Just since Ranjit bought it up am taking this now.

I am personally interested in learning Gann Analysis (minus ofcourse the lunar and solar movements aspect).

Would sincerely appreciate if seniors could guide me accordingly.

For instance:-

Which are the best books on Gann Analysis

Which websites offer good knowledge on Gann Analysis

Any videos on Gann Analysis and so on and so forth.

I have tried googling on Gann and quite a lot of weblinks are thrown up but would be grateful if seniors could share the most worthy amongst them based on their past experiences just to reduce the time factor involved in the learning process.

Thanks in advance

Best Regards

Floyd

--- On Mon, 11/16/09, RANJIT VICHARE <vtijnar@yahoo. co.in> wrote:

From: RANJIT VICHARE <vtijnar@yahoo. co.in>
Subject: Re: [Technical-Investor ] Time Frame
To: Technical-Investor@ yahoogroups. com
Date: Monday, November 16, 2009, 2:01 AM

Hello Umesh Goel,

As a Technical Analyst you are on the right path. It is prudent to know if the Markets are trending or in a trading range. Always relate the stocks you want to trade in to the actual markets sentiments. If the markets are trending there is a good chance that the stocks you want to trade in will also be in a trending mode.But If the Markets are in a trading zone...the possibilities of a stock trending are minimal. I am not saying that a given stock will not be in a trending mode. But from experience of using indicators and oscillators this is what happens in most of the trades we execute. If you are well versed with Gann Analysis and Elliott Wave analysis then it becomes easier to take this trending Stock trade in a trading range environment. The study of Technical Analysis is forever evolving. So a technical analyst is always learning. Knowledge of Technical Analysis is so vast that it is impossible to know all. While applying your knowledge of Technical Analysis in the field, make sure you keep it simple. This will benefit you in the long run.

Umesh as a trader one must not depend only on a trending market. One must take what ever trade the market has to offer. Only one has to know what the trade has to offer and if it worth taking that trade. In order to do this one has to tune himself to the Market environment and listen to what the market is trying to communicate to you. The value of the Stock to be traded is not important. It is where you put your stop-loss that is important. For example if you have a stop loss of 5 points and are going to make 5 points, the trade is not worth it. In any given scenario the minimum ratio of stop loss : profits, by rule of thumb should be 1:1.618 and there after in the ascending range of the golden ratios.

Umesh concentrate on the cycle studies as this will help you in taking the right decision. By doing this you will filter out so many false signals that are generated by the indicators and Oscillators. For example if you get a buy or a sell signal near a cycle beginning or a cycle end, the potency to be right in taking a trade increases many fold. But remember that the degree of the cycle is important before you make this decision.

I hope what I write to you helps you to take informed decisions while making a trade. I wish you all the best with your trading progress.

With regards,

Ranjit

--- On Sun, 15/11/09, umesh goel <umeshgoel2004@ yahoo.co. in> wrote:

From: umesh goel <umeshgoel2004@ yahoo.co. in>
Subject: Re: [Technical-Investor ] Time Frame
To: Technical-Investor@ yahoogroups. com
Date: Sunday, 15 November, 2009, 11:19 PM

DEAR Ranjit

I totally agree with you. there are different indicators for trending and trading markets. I see the chart and decide emperically wheather it is trading or trending market and use different indicators for them. Normally i prefer trending shares e.g, birla corporation has gone into trading zone, i have slowly exited from it and entered indian hotel which is in a trending zone

From: RANJIT VICHARE <vtijnar@yahoo. co.in>
To: Technical-Investor@ yahoogroups. com
Sent: Sun, 15 November, 2009 3:25:25 PM
Subject: Re: [Technical-Investor ] Time Frame

Hello Floyd,

I know it is difficult to determine the trend on basis of indicators alone. This becomes easier if you can determine if the stock is in a trading mode or a trending mode. Once the mode is decided, Use the Indicators or the Moving averages in all its manifestations. In a Market which is in a trading Range the Indicators will perform well...but if the Market is trending you will get the whipsaws. If the Market were to be trending use the moving averages and not the indicators. Secondly if you are doing Intraday.... increase the time periods on your Indicators. Do not be a compulsive trader. Even if you get two or three trades a day...it is good enough. Thirdly confirm every buy or sell with an alternative that you have learnt in technical analysis. Never base your trade only on one parameter. All the best.

Regards,

Ranjit

--- On Sun, 15/11/09, FLOYD JOHNY LEWIS <fjl24@yahoo. com> wrote:

From: FLOYD JOHNY LEWIS <fjl24@yahoo. com>
Subject: Re: [Technical-Investor ] Time Frame
To: Technical-Investor@ yahoogroups. com
Date: Sunday, 15 November, 2009, 3:00 PM

Hi Abhijit & Jay

Thanks for your valuable inputs.

Agreed - experience counts for sure.

Regards

Floyd

--- On Sun, 11/15/09, Abhijit <ap19632000@yahoo. com> wrote:

From: Abhijit <ap19632000@yahoo. com>
Subject: Re: [Technical-Investor ] Time Frame
To: Technical-Investor@ yahoogroups. com
Date: Sunday, November 15, 2009, 3:41 AM

If you are seeing that you atre likely to get a 'buy' signal, and crossoverr is about to happen, it is safe to place a Buy stop above the high of the previous bar with some filter and wait. If that high is crossed, you will surely get a buy signal.

This comes from experience and you have to keep a constant eye till it happens or whipsaws.

Cheers,

AP

----- Original Message -----

From: FLOYD JOHNY LEWIS

To: Technical-Investor@ yahoogroups. com

Sent: Sunday, November 15, 2009 1:58 PM

Subject: Re: [Technical-Investor ] Time Frame

Hi Jay & Seniors

Not wanting to be sceptical - just sharing an observation on live markets and am not talking about whipsaws either.

In live markets - as we watch the MA & Stockastic or MACD or RSI for that matter on a candle to candle or bar to bar basis, minute by minute - personally observed that the indicators keep changing directions like a snake moving in a zigzag fashion.

A couple of seconds back you feel that the crossover will now take place and then next second it changes direction leaving each other by a whisker.

The above observations does not impact when the indicators are at overbought or oversold ranges as per respective indicators/oscillat ors.

At EOD everything seems to be pretty clean as the trends are already established - the real challenge is online - tick by tick basis.

Any clues on how to tackle this sort of live situation and dilema.

Thanks in advance

Regards

Floyd

--- On Sat, 11/14/09, Meerut Money Managers <meerutmoneymanagers @yahoo.in> wrote:

From: Meerut Money Managers <meerutmoneymanagers @yahoo.in>
Subject: Re: [Technical-Investor ] Time Frame
To: Technical-Investor@ yahoogroups. com
Date: Saturday, November 14, 2009, 11:53 PM

dear Jayakrishna,

This is a good system and it is called MAMA, although the strike rate for MAMA cross over is good on daily charts that to for too if you wish to hold the stock for longer period of time.

Also as i noticed there is a lag in entry and exit.

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From: Jayakrishnan <jayakrish2001@ yahoo.com>
To: Technical-Investor@ yahoogroups. com
Sent: Sat, 14 November, 2009 10:46:45 PM
Subject: Re: [Technical-Investor ] Time Frame

Dear Sir,

I came across a day trading strategy in the net. The set up was with MA cross overs and stochastics.

The author suggests to enter in 5 minute chart ema cross over signal and stochastic confirmation in both 5 minute and 30 minute charts. If stoch doesn't give bullish signal in 30 minutes chart he asks to wait.

So multi time frame seems to do a fairly good job. For entry he uses lesser time frame (5 min). And for exit the longer time frame (30 min). By exiting in the long time frame chart, one can eliminate whipsaws to great extent and avoid early exit, I believe.

Regards,

Jayakrishnan.

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From: Meerut Money Managers <meerutmoneymanagers @yahoo.in>
Subject: [Technical-Investor ] Time Frame
To: "TECHNICAL ANALYSIS GROUP" <Technical-Investor@ yahoogroups. com>
Date: Saturday, November 14, 2009, 10:28 PM

dear all,

I request from my fellow analyst and traders for their inputs on the following

For Intraday trading which time frame is best suited 3/5/7/10/12/ 15 Min Charts

For BTST 30/60 Mins Charts

THANKS & REGARDS

MEERUT MONEY MANAGERS (MMM)
www.meerutmoneymana gers.com

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Re: [Technical-Investor] Rakesh Jhunjunwala's ppt ...

2009-11-16T00:23:00.001-08:00

Hi Kaiser

Thanks for sharing.

Definitely was a - Good Read

Regards

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Date: Monday, November 16, 2009, 1:42 AM

Hi All,

Got this on the net.
Some down to earth wisdom - worth repeating forever!

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Re: [Technical-Investor] Time Frame - Gann Analysis

2009-11-16T00:18:00.000-08:00

dear floyd,

i personally feel that working with GANN is extremely complex and time consuming. at the end of the day you will find yourself confused. this is my personal opinion. they are other respectable stalwarts in this forum who can guide you otherwise.

GANN was himself a free mason and believed in free masonary and its techniques largely. most of the techniques of free asonary are not avaiable to common public and hence the info.

regards

nana

On 11/16/09, FLOYD JOHNY LEWIS <fjl24@yahoo.com> wrote:

Dear Ranjit & Seniors

Just since Ranjit bought it up am taking this now.

I am personally interested in learning Gann Analysis (minus ofcourse the lunar and solar movements aspect).

Would sincerely appreciate if seniors could guide me accordingly.

For instance:-

Which are the best books on Gann Analysis

Which websites offer good knowledge on Gann Analysis

Any videos on Gann Analysis and so on and so forth.

I have tried googling on Gann and quite a lot of weblinks are thrown up but would be grateful if seniors could share the most worthy amongst them based on their past experiences just to reduce the time factor involved in the learning process.

Thanks in advance

Best Regards

Floyd

--- On Mon, 11/16/09, RANJIT VICHARE <vtijnar@yahoo.co.in> wrote:

From: RANJIT VICHARE <vtijnar@yahoo.co.in>
Subject: Re: [Technical-Investor] Time Frame
To: Technical-Investor@yahoogroups.com
Date: Monday, November 16, 2009, 2:01 AM

Hello Umesh Goel,

As a Technical Analyst you are on the right path. It is prudent to know if the Markets are trending or in a trading range. Always relate the stocks you want to trade in to the actual markets sentiments. If the markets are trending there is a good chance that the stocks you want to trade in will also be in a trending mode.But If the Markets are in a trading zone...the possibilities of a stock trending are minimal. I am not saying that a given stock will not be in a trending mode. But from experience of using indicators and oscillators this is what happens in most of the trades we execute. If you are well versed with Gann Analysis and Elliott Wave analysis then it becomes easier to take this trending Stock trade in a trading range environment. The study of Technical Analysis is forever evolving. So a technical analyst is always learning. Knowledge of Technical Analysis is so vast that it is impossible to know all. While applying your knowledge of Technical Analysis in the field, make sure you keep it simple. This will benefit you in the long run.

Umesh as a trader one must not depend only on a trending market. One must take what ever trade the market has to offer. Only one has to know what the trade has to offer and if it worth taking that trade. In order to do this one has to tune himself to the Market environment and listen to what the market is trying to communicate to you. The value of the Stock to be traded is not important. It is where you put your stop-loss that is important. For example if you have a stop loss of 5 points and are going to make 5 points, the trade is not worth it. In any given scenario the minimum ratio of stop loss : profits, by rule of thumb should be 1:1.618 and there after in the ascending range of the golden ratios.

Umesh concentrate on the cycle studies as this will help you in taking the right decision. By doing this you will filter out so many false signals that are generated by the indicators and Oscillators. For example if you get a buy or a sell signal near a cycle beginning or a cycle end, the potency to be right in taking a trade increases many fold. But remember that the degree of the cycle is important before you make this decision.

I hope what I write to you helps you to take informed decisions while making a trade. I wish you all the best with your trading progress.

With regards,

Ranjit

--- On Sun, 15/11/09, umesh goel <umeshgoel2004@ yahoo.co. in> wrote:

From: umesh goel <umeshgoel2004@ yahoo.co. in>
Subject: Re: [Technical-Investor ] Time Frame
To: Technical-Investor@ yahoogroups. com
Date: Sunday, 15 November, 2009, 11:19 PM

DEAR Ranjit

I totally agree with you. there are different indicators for trending and trading markets. I see the chart and decide emperically wheather it is trading or trending market and use different indicators for them. Normally i prefer trending shares e.g, birla corporation has gone into trading zone, i have slowly exited from it and entered indian hotel which is in a trending zone

From: RANJIT VICHARE <vtijnar@yahoo. co.in>
To: Technical-Investor@ yahoogroups. com
Sent: Sun, 15 November, 2009 3:25:25 PM
Subject: Re: [Technical-Investor ] Time Frame

Hello Floyd,

I know it is difficult to determine the trend on basis of indicators alone. This becomes easier if you can determine if the stock is in a trading mode or a trending mode. Once the mode is decided, Use the Indicators or the Moving averages in all its manifestations. In a Market which is in a trading Range the Indicators will perform well...but if the Market is trending you will get the whipsaws. If the Market were to be trending use the moving averages and not the indicators. Secondly if you are doing Intraday.... increase the time periods on your Indicators. Do not be a compulsive trader. Even if you get two or three trades a day...it is good enough. Thirdly confirm every buy or sell with an alternative that you have learnt in technical analysis. Never base your trade only on one parameter. All the best.

Regards,

Ranjit

--- On Sun, 15/11/09, FLOYD JOHNY LEWIS <fjl24@yahoo. com> wrote:

From: FLOYD JOHNY LEWIS <fjl24@yahoo. com>
Subject: Re: [Technical-Investor ] Time Frame
To: Technical-Investor@ yahoogroups. com
Date: Sunday, 15 November, 2009, 3:00 PM

Hi Abhijit & Jay

Thanks for your valuable inputs.

Agreed - experience counts for sure.

Regards

Floyd

--- On Sun, 11/15/09, Abhijit <ap19632000@yahoo. com> wrote:

From: Abhijit <ap19632000@yahoo. com>
Subject: Re: [Technical-Investor ] Time Frame
To: Technical-Investor@ yahoogroups. com
Date: Sunday, November 15, 2009, 3:41 AM

If you are seeing that you atre likely to get a 'buy' signal, and crossoverr is about to happen, it is safe to place a Buy stop above the high of the previous bar with some filter and wait. If that high is crossed, you will surely get a buy signal.

This comes from experience and you have to keep a constant eye till it happens or whipsaws.

Cheers,

AP

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From: FLOYD JOHNY LEWIS

To: Technical-Investor@ yahoogroups. com

Sent: Sunday, November 15, 2009 1:58 PM

Subject: Re: [Technical-Investor ] Time Frame

Hi Jay & Seniors

Not wanting to be sceptical - just sharing an observation on live markets and am not talking about whipsaws either.

In live markets - as we watch the MA & Stockastic or MACD or RSI for that matter on a candle to candle or bar to bar basis, minute by minute - personally observed that the indicators keep changing directions like a snake moving in a zigzag fashion.

A couple of seconds back you feel that the crossover will now take place and then next second it changes direction leaving each other by a whisker.

The above observations does not impact when the indicators are at overbought or oversold ranges as per respective indicators/oscillat ors.

At EOD everything seems to be pretty clean as the trends are already established - the real challenge is online - tick by tick basis.

Any clues on how to tackle this sort of live situation and dilema.

Thanks in advance

Regards

Floyd

--- On Sat, 11/14/09, Meerut Money Managers <meerutmoneymanagers @yahoo.in> wrote:

From: Meerut Money Managers <meerutmoneymanagers @yahoo.in>
Subject: Re: [Technical-Investor ] Time Frame
To: Technical-Investor@ yahoogroups. com
Date: Saturday, November 14, 2009, 11:53 PM

dear Jayakrishna,

This is a good system and it is called MAMA, although the strike rate for MAMA cross over is good on daily charts that to for too if you wish to hold the stock for longer period of time.

Also as i noticed there is a lag in entry and exit.

THANKS & REGARDS

MEERUT MONEY MANAGERS (MMM)
www.meerutmoneymana gers.com

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From: Jayakrishnan <jayakrish2001@ yahoo.com>
To: Technical-Investor@ yahoogroups. com
Sent: Sat, 14 November, 2009 10:46:45 PM
Subject: Re: [Technical-Investor ] Time Frame

Dear Sir,

I came across a day trading strategy in the net. The set up was with MA cross overs and stochastics.

The author suggests to enter in 5 minute chart ema cross over signal and stochastic confirmation in both 5 minute and 30 minute charts. If stoch doesn't give bullish signal in 30 minutes chart he asks to wait.

So multi time frame seems to do a fairly good job. For entry he uses lesser time frame (5 min). And for exit the longer time frame (30 min). By exiting in the long time frame chart, one can eliminate whipsaws to great extent and avoid early exit, I believe.

Regards,

Jayakrishnan.

--- On Sat, 11/14/09, Meerut Money Managers <meerutmoneymanagers @yahoo.in> wrote:

From: Meerut Money Managers <meerutmoneymanagers @yahoo.in>
Subject: [Technical-Investor ] Time Frame
To: "TECHNICAL ANALYSIS GROUP" <Technical-Investor@ yahoogroups. com>
Date: Saturday, November 14, 2009, 10:28 PM

dear all,

I request from my fellow analyst and traders for their inputs on the following

For Intraday trading which time frame is best suited 3/5/7/10/12/ 15 Min Charts

For BTST 30/60 Mins Charts

THANKS & REGARDS

MEERUT MONEY MANAGERS (MMM)
www.meerutmoneymana gers.com

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[Technical-Investor] Time Frame - Gann Analysis

2009-11-16T00:08:00.001-08:00

Dear Ranjit & Seniors

Just since Ranjit bought it up am taking this now.

I am personally interested in learning Gann Analysis (minus ofcourse the lunar and solar movements aspect).

Would sincerely appreciate if seniors could guide me accordingly.

For instance:-

Which are the best books on Gann Analysis

Which websites offer good knowledge on Gann Analysis

Any videos on Gann Analysis and so on and so forth.

I have tried googling on Gann and quite a lot of weblinks are thrown up but would be grateful if seniors could share the most worthy amongst them based on their past experiences just to reduce the time factor involved in the learning process.

Thanks in advance

Best Regards

Floyd

--- On Mon, 11/16/09, RANJIT VICHARE <vtijnar@yahoo.co.in> wrote:

From: RANJIT VICHARE <vtijnar@yahoo.co.in>
Subject: Re: [Technical-Investor] Time Frame
To: Technical-Investor@yahoogroups.com
Date: Monday, November 16, 2009, 2:01 AM

Hello Umesh Goel,

As a Technical Analyst you are on the right path. It is prudent to know if the Markets are trending or in a trading range. Always relate the stocks you want to trade in to the actual markets sentiments. If the markets are trending there is a good chance that the stocks you want to trade in will also be in a trending mode.But If the Markets are in a trading zone...the possibilities of a stock trending are minimal. I am not saying that a given stock will not be in a trending mode. But from experience of using indicators and oscillators this is what happens in most of the trades we execute. If you are well versed with Gann Analysis and Elliott Wave analysis then it becomes easier to take this trending Stock trade in a trading range environment. The study of Technical Analysis is forever evolving. So a technical analyst is always learning. Knowledge of Technical Analysis is so vast that it is impossible to know all. While applying your knowledge of Technical Analysis in the field, make sure you keep it simple. This will benefit you in the long run.

Umesh as a trader one must not depend only on a trending market. One must take what ever trade the market has to offer. Only one has to know what the trade has to offer and if it worth taking that trade. In order to do this one has to tune himself to the Market environment and listen to what the market is trying to communicate to you. The value of the Stock to be traded is not important. It is where you put your stop-loss that is important. For example if you have a stop loss of 5 points and are going to make 5 points, the trade is not worth it. In any given scenario the minimum ratio of stop loss : profits, by rule of thumb should be 1:1.618 and there after in the ascending range of the golden ratios.

Umesh concentrate on the cycle studies as this will help you in taking the right decision. By doing this you will filter out so many false signals that are generated by the indicators and Oscillators. For example if you get a buy or a sell signal near a cycle beginning or a cycle end, the potency to be right in taking a trade increases many fold. But remember that the degree of the cycle is important before you make this decision.

I hope what I write to you helps you to take informed decisions while making a trade. I wish you all the best with your trading progress.

With regards,

Ranjit

--- On Sun, 15/11/09, umesh goel <umeshgoel2004@ yahoo.co. in> wrote:

From: umesh goel <umeshgoel2004@ yahoo.co. in>
Subject: Re: [Technical-Investor ] Time Frame
To: Technical-Investor@ yahoogroups. com
Date: Sunday, 15 November, 2009, 11:19 PM

DEAR Ranjit

I totally agree with you. there are different indicators for trending and trading markets. I see the chart and decide emperically wheather it is trading or trending market and use different indicators for them. Normally i prefer trending shares e.g, birla corporation has gone into trading zone, i have slowly exited from it and entered indian hotel which is in a trending zone

From: RANJIT VICHARE <vtijnar@yahoo. co.in>
To: Technical-Investor@ yahoogroups. com
Sent: Sun, 15 November, 2009 3:25:25 PM
Subject: Re: [Technical-Investor ] Time Frame

Hello Floyd,

I know it is difficult to determine the trend on basis of indicators alone. This becomes easier if you can determine if the stock is in a trading mode or a trending mode. Once the mode is decided, Use the Indicators or the Moving averages in all its manifestations. In a Market which is in a trading Range the Indicators will perform well...but if the Market is trending you will get the whipsaws. If the Market were to be trending use the moving averages and not the indicators. Secondly if you are doing Intraday.... increase the time periods on your Indicators. Do not be a compulsive trader. Even if you get two or three trades a day...it is good enough. Thirdly confirm every buy or sell with an alternative that you have learnt in technical analysis. Never base your trade only on one parameter. All the best.

Regards,

Ranjit

--- On Sun, 15/11/09, FLOYD JOHNY LEWIS <fjl24@yahoo. com> wrote:

From: FLOYD JOHNY LEWIS <fjl24@yahoo. com>
Subject: Re: [Technical-Investor ] Time Frame
To: Technical-Investor@ yahoogroups. com
Date: Sunday, 15 November, 2009, 3:00 PM

Hi Abhijit & Jay

Thanks for your valuable inputs.

Agreed - experience counts for sure.

Regards

Floyd

--- On Sun, 11/15/09, Abhijit <ap19632000@yahoo. com> wrote:

From: Abhijit <ap19632000@yahoo. com>
Subject: Re: [Technical-Investor ] Time Frame
To: Technical-Investor@ yahoogroups. com
Date: Sunday, November 15, 2009, 3:41 AM

If you are seeing that you atre likely to get a 'buy' signal, and crossoverr is about to happen, it is safe to place a Buy stop above the high of the previous bar with some filter and wait. If that high is crossed, you will surely get a buy signal.

This comes from experience and you have to keep a constant eye till it happens or whipsaws.

Cheers,

AP

----- Original Message -----

From: FLOYD JOHNY LEWIS

To: Technical-Investor@ yahoogroups. com

Sent: Sunday, November 15, 2009 1:58 PM

Subject: Re: [Technical-Investor ] Time Frame

Hi Jay & Seniors

Not wanting to be sceptical - just sharing an observation on live markets and am not talking about whipsaws either.

In live markets - as we watch the MA & Stockastic or MACD or RSI for that matter on a candle to candle or bar to bar basis, minute by minute - personally observed that the indicators keep changing directions like a snake moving in a zigzag fashion.

A couple of seconds back you feel that the crossover will now take place and then next second it changes direction leaving each other by a whisker.

The above observations does not impact when the indicators are at overbought or oversold ranges as per respective indicators/oscillat ors.

At EOD everything seems to be pretty clean as the trends are already established - the real challenge is online - tick by tick basis.

Any clues on how to tackle this sort of live situation and dilema.

Thanks in advance

Regards

Floyd

--- On Sat, 11/14/09, Meerut Money Managers <meerutmoneymanagers @yahoo.in> wrote:

From: Meerut Money Managers <meerutmoneymanagers @yahoo.in>
Subject: Re: [Technical-Investor ] Time Frame
To: Technical-Investor@ yahoogroups. com
Date: Saturday, November 14, 2009, 11:53 PM

dear Jayakrishna,

This is a good system and it is called MAMA, although the strike rate for MAMA cross over is good on daily charts that to for too if you wish to hold the stock for longer period of time.

Also as i noticed there is a lag in entry and exit.

THANKS & REGARDS

MEERUT MONEY MANAGERS (MMM)
www.meerutmoneymana gers.com

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From: Jayakrishnan <jayakrish2001@ yahoo.com>
To: Technical-Investor@ yahoogroups. com
Sent: Sat, 14 November, 2009 10:46:45 PM
Subject: Re: [Technical-Investor ] Time Frame

Dear Sir,

I came across a day trading strategy in the net. The set up was with MA cross overs and stochastics.

The author suggests to enter in 5 minute chart ema cross over signal and stochastic confirmation in both 5 minute and 30 minute charts. If stoch doesn't give bullish signal in 30 minutes chart he asks to wait.

So multi time frame seems to do a fairly good job. For entry he uses lesser time frame (5 min). And for exit the longer time frame (30 min). By exiting in the long time frame chart, one can eliminate whipsaws to great extent and avoid early exit, I believe.

Regards,

Jayakrishnan.

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From: Meerut Money Managers <meerutmoneymanagers @yahoo.in>
Subject: [Technical-Investor ] Time Frame
To: "TECHNICAL ANALYSIS GROUP" <Technical-Investor@ yahoogroups. com>
Date: Saturday, November 14, 2009, 10:28 PM

dear all,

I request from my fellow analyst and traders for their inputs on the following

For Intraday trading which time frame is best suited 3/5/7/10/12/ 15 Min Charts

For BTST 30/60 Mins Charts

THANKS & REGARDS

MEERUT MONEY MANAGERS (MMM)
www.meerutmoneymana gers.com

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Re: [sharetrading] Hanung

2009-11-15T23:56:00.000-08:00

Industry	: Diversified	BSE Code	: 532770	NSE Code	: HANUNG
Business Group	: Not Applicable	Face Value	: Rs. 10.00	ISIN No	: INE648H01013
Chairman a	: Mr. Ashok Kumar Bansal	Market Lot	: 1	Market Cap	: 290.7946 (Rs.Cr.)

HANUNG TOYS

SHARE HOLDING PATTERN

You can view the latest three shareholding pattern for the company under two broad categories (Promoter & Non Promters)

Institutional Investors
Share Holding Pattern as on :	30/09/2009		30/06/2009		31/03/2009
Face Value	10.00		10.00		10.00
	No. Of Shares	% Holding	No. Of Shares	% Holding	No. Of Shares	% Holding
PROMOTER'S HOLDING
Indian Promoters	15930377	63.25	15655377	62..15	15687925	62.28
Sub Total	15930377	63.25	15655377	62.15	15687925	62.28
NON PROMOTER'S HOLDING
Mutual Funds and UTI	1019518	4.05	1725134	6.85	2645261	10.50
FII's	1367961	5.43	1381946	5.49	1153401	4.58
Sub Total	2387479	9.48	3107080	12.34	3798662	15.08
Other Investors
Private Corporate Bodies	2605826	10.35	2931119	11.64	2274399	9.03
NRI's/OCB's/Foreign Others	121621	0.48	87072	0.35	102899	0.41
Others	584465	2.32	116553	0.46	133039	0.53
Sub Total	3311912	13.15	3134744	12.45	2510337	9.97
General Public	3558157	14.13	3290724	13.06	3191001	12.67
GRAND TOTAL	25187925	100.00	25187925	100.00	25187925	100.00

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Hanung toys is looking gud on charts can somebody guide on this.....

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Re: [Technical-Investor] Time Frame

2009-11-15T23:01:00.000-08:00

Hello Umesh Goel,

I hope what I write to you helps you to take informed decisions while making a trade. I wish you all the best with your trading progress.

With regards,

Ranjit

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From: umesh goel <umeshgoel2004@yahoo.co.in>
Subject: Re: [Technical-Investor] Time Frame
To: Technical-Investor@yahoogroups.com
Date: Sunday, 15 November, 2009, 11:19 PM

DEAR Ranjit

I totally agree with you. there are different indicators for trending and trading markets. I see the chart and decide emperically wheather it is trading or trending market and use different indicators for them. Normally i prefer trending shares e.g, birla corporation has gone into trading zone, i have slowly exited from it and entered indian hotel which is in a trending zone

From: RANJIT VICHARE <vtijnar@yahoo. co.in>
To: Technical-Investor@ yahoogroups. com
Sent: Sun, 15 November, 2009 3:25:25 PM
Subject: Re: [Technical-Investor ] Time Frame

Hello Floyd,

I know it is difficult to determine the trend on basis of indicators alone. This becomes easier if you can determine if the stock is in a trading mode or a trending mode. Once the mode is decided, Use the Indicators or the Moving averages in all its manifestations. In a Market which is in a trading Range the Indicators will perform well...but if the Market is trending you will get the whipsaws. If the Market were to be trending use the moving averages and not the indicators. Secondly if you are doing Intraday.... increase the time periods on your Indicators. Do not be a compulsive trader. Even if you get two or three trades a day...it is good enough. Thirdly confirm every buy or sell with an alternative that you have learnt in technical analysis. Never base your trade only on one parameter. All the best.

Regards,

Ranjit

--- On Sun, 15/11/09, FLOYD JOHNY LEWIS <fjl24@yahoo. com> wrote:

From: FLOYD JOHNY LEWIS <fjl24@yahoo. com>
Subject: Re: [Technical-Investor ] Time Frame
To: Technical-Investor@ yahoogroups. com
Date: Sunday, 15 November, 2009, 3:00 PM

Hi Abhijit & Jay

Thanks for your valuable inputs.

Agreed - experience counts for sure.

Regards

Floyd

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From: Abhijit <ap19632000@yahoo. com>
Subject: Re: [Technical-Investor ] Time Frame
To: Technical-Investor@ yahoogroups. com
Date: Sunday, November 15, 2009, 3:41 AM

If you are seeing that you atre likely to get a 'buy' signal, and crossoverr is about to happen, it is safe to place a Buy stop above the high of the previous bar with some filter and wait. If that high is crossed, you will surely get a buy signal.

This comes from experience and you have to keep a constant eye till it happens or whipsaws.

Cheers,

AP

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Sent: Sunday, November 15, 2009 1:58 PM

Subject: Re: [Technical-Investor ] Time Frame

Hi Jay & Seniors

Not wanting to be sceptical - just sharing an observation on live markets and am not talking about whipsaws either.

In live markets - as we watch the MA & Stockastic or MACD or RSI for that matter on a candle to candle or bar to bar basis, minute by minute - personally observed that the indicators keep changing directions like a snake moving in a zigzag fashion.

A couple of seconds back you feel that the crossover will now take place and then next second it changes direction leaving each other by a whisker.

The above observations does not impact when the indicators are at overbought or oversold ranges as per respective indicators/oscillat ors.

At EOD everything seems to be pretty clean as the trends are already established - the real challenge is online - tick by tick basis.

Any clues on how to tackle this sort of live situation and dilema.

Thanks in advance

Regards

Floyd

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Subject: Re: [Technical-Investor ] Time Frame
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Date: Saturday, November 14, 2009, 11:53 PM

dear Jayakrishna,

This is a good system and it is called MAMA, although the strike rate for MAMA cross over is good on daily charts that to for too if you wish to hold the stock for longer period of time.

Also as i noticed there is a lag in entry and exit.

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Sent: Sat, 14 November, 2009 10:46:45 PM
Subject: Re: [Technical-Investor ] Time Frame

Dear Sir,

I came across a day trading strategy in the net. The set up was with MA cross overs and stochastics.

The author suggests to enter in 5 minute chart ema cross over signal and stochastic confirmation in both 5 minute and 30 minute charts. If stoch doesn't give bullish signal in 30 minutes chart he asks to wait.

So multi time frame seems to do a fairly good job. For entry he uses lesser time frame (5 min). And for exit the longer time frame (30 min). By exiting in the long time frame chart, one can eliminate whipsaws to great extent and avoid early exit, I believe.

Regards,

Jayakrishnan.

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Subject: [Technical-Investor ] Time Frame
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Date: Saturday, November 14, 2009, 10:28 PM

dear all,

I request from my fellow analyst and traders for their inputs on the following

For Intraday trading which time frame is best suited 3/5/7/10/12/ 15 Min Charts

For BTST 30/60 Mins Charts

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[sharetrading] Exit all long positions above 17500 to 177745 TAHV

2009-11-15T22:55:00.000-08:00

Last week, the Sensex opened at 16190.79, attained a low at 16147.21 and moved up to a high of 16909.74 before it finally closed the week at 16848.83 and thereby showed a rise of 690 points on a week-to-week basis. We had raised the question last week: Will the pullback survive? It did survive last week but now the issue is: How long?

The Sensex displayed fairly good strength on the recovery and pullback. It went on to test the 75% retracement level of the fall from 17493 to 15330.

On the daily chart, a trend line that was violated on its way down to 15330 is now offering resistance along with the 75% retracement level which is around 16938. On daily charts, immediate support will be at 16605. On a fall below 16600, we could see a correction of the rise from 15330 to the recent high.

Last week's weekly candle was fairly strong. As a result, the Sensex can test the level of 17493 and could get extended to test the 17735 level. A fall and close below last week's low of 16147 will bring in the downside momentum.

It is very likely that the Sensex may spend time between 17493 and 15330 to develop a structure that can ultimately lead to a slide.

In our earlier updates, we had indicated that the inverted head & shoulder looked like a W pattern; the breakout point of this pattern was in the range of 15579-15600. The Sensex did violate the range but has managed to close above it. The bulls could, therefore manage to bring back the neck above the ground. Last week, we saw some kind of a follow-up rise to the recovery week that was witnessed two weeks back.
For the time being, we need to check if the market can sustain in the higher range of 17394 to 17735.

Weekly support will be at 16635-16360-16147. Weekly resistance will be at 17123-17493-17735.

Conclusion

A pullback rise was witnessed and it did survive and sustain at the end of the week. A rise to test the recent high could be witnessed whereas a fall and close below last week's low of 16147 could upset the bulls who are on the recovery charge.

Strategy for the week

Exit all long positions on any pull-back rally that is witnessed to resistance levels or above to 17500 and 17745.

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Hi All,

Got this on the net.
Some down to earth wisdom - worth repeating forever!

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[sharetrading] Fw: Investments made by LIC in Indian Equity

2009-11-15T21:01:00.000-08:00

Investments made by LIC in Indian Equity

Investments made by LIC in Indian Equity
Posted: 15 Nov 2009 06:28 PM PST
State-run Life Insurance Corp. of India, or LIC, is targeting investment of as much as Rs. 50,000 crore in equities this fiscal year.

We have compiled details of the current shareholding of LIC in various BSE and NSE listed companies.

Holdings more than 10% have been marked.

Company Name
LIC Holding %*

Reliance Ind
6.04%

Tata Steel
11.91%

Grasim Ind
13.38%

Larsen and Toubro
17.54%

ACC
16.86%

Bharti Airtel
4.59%

BHEL
2.97%

HDFC Bank
7.47%

Hindalco
11.09%

HDFC
2.64%

ITC
13.62%

Infosys
3.89%

JP Asso
3.51%

M&M
17.58%

ONGC
2.94%

Reliance Comm
7.25%

Reliance Infra
10.33%

Vijaya Bank
4.59%

ABB
5.5%

PNB
4.30%

Unity
2.25%

Union Bank
2.04%

SAIL
1.86%

GAIL
1.8%

Company Name LIC Holding %*

SBI
10.19%

Sterlite
2.14%

Tata Power
9.46%

Tata Motors
12.23%

ICICI Bank
10.3%

TCS
2.41%

Wipro
1.26%

Siemens
13.71%

Cummins Ind
3.87%

Sun Pharma
1.08%

Orient Bank
4.47%

IDFC
3.08%

Canara Bank
2.83%

PTC
3.19%

Tata Sponge Iron
2.61%

Container Corp
1.61%

Glaxo
1.31%

Orchid Chem
2.72%

BEL
2.88%

Idea Cellular
2.80%

Bharati Shipyard
10.65%

Andhra Bank
5.85%

BASF
3.71%

Dabur
1.59%

GNFC
1.53%

IndraprasthaGas
1.26%

GMR Infra
1.09%

TVS Motors
3.73%

Company Name LIC Holding%*

Tech Mahindra
1.8%

IDBI
6.07%

Maruti
2.82%

GSPL
1.82%

Uniphos
1.07%

Voltas
1.41%

Wockhardt Pharm
1.21%

Octav
7.3%

Bank of Maharashtra
5.94%

Piramal Life
3.44%

Kothari Sugars
2.72%

Kothari Petro
2.55%

SBBJ
1.46%

WelspunInd
2.08%

IOB
2.03%

Hotel Leela
1.84%

Raymond
1.67

Aventis
1.26%

Century Tex
1.17%

PowerGrid
1.16%

BPCL
1.14%

Pantaloon
1.12%

HUL
1.01%

*More than 1% holdings considered, Data as on Sep '09.
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